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    Quote Originally Posted by jettyman View Post
    So you say racism is daily life for most minority populations. You might be right if you are referring to other countries as I can't really comment about other countries. You would def be wrong if you are referring to the US though. The fact is America is the most prosperous and compassionate place in the HISTORY of the world for minorities today. You cannot name a better place in the world for black people than America. And it's not even close.

    Now, black people have always hated the N word until somewhat recently. Did black people refer to themselves as N's in the 40's/50's/60's?? No they didn't. I hear the N word almost every day now. And it's not from white people. Do you know who made it popular today for black people to call each other the N word so much? Take a guess....Richard Pryor. He started calling other black people that in his skits in the 70's. Don't believe me, just go back and watch his early routines or his early movies. It caught on from there with black people. The truth is white people dislike that word more than black people. Personally I find it a vile, disgustingly disrespectful thing to call someone. FWIW I think Pryor was a comedic genius and thought he was very funny. I wish he would have never started saying that though. I thought Archie Bunker was funny too and all those popular movies and tv shows back in the day that could never be repeated again. I could also care less if someone called me a cracker or anything else.

    Since you are a pastor. I have a question for you. Do you generally agree with reverend Jeremiah Wright and Raphael Warnock's opinions on race in America today?
    Hello!

    Yes, I stand by my statement that racism is an issue in the daily life of minorities today. I can state other's experiences that I know as well as my own. That does not mean that I or others wish to throw away our history or the greatness of our nation and other nations. Black people were enslaved in the US for hundreds of years. We have been walking a lifestyle of rights and values for only decades. I think we will get there in time. While it is my reality, it isn't an experience that I feel every moment or by a majority of persons I am in contact. It's definitely not something I focus upon. I speak to 70-80% caucasian congregants and I love my job! i spend time with many many great and amazing people!

    I would disagree with you on Richard Pryor. While he did popularize saying the N word in his comedy, my father was called that word by both sides his whole upbringing (during the times you mentioned.) by BOTH whites and black folks. He would be 88 years old (passed away a couple of years back) today and lived the movements that shaped American culture much more than myself.(48 years old) But again, it is not a word spoken by whites only! I hate that black people use it, I have taught my children to be kind or be quiet, Ha! While I have travelled to 20+ countries, there are great ones, but I have not lived in them. I would not choose to live anywhere other than the US. This land is great...no debate there!

    On Jeremiah Wright, While I do not know the man, I am not a black liberationist nor militant when it comes to change. His dogma isn't new but it is divisive. I dislike and speak counter-this type of leadership. I have had dinner with Raphael Warnock on two different occasions. He is a kind man. I don't agree with his stance on abortion, nor his embracing of communist leadership and principles. I think a man should work for his food, and that work will produce a result. (The law of the harvest) When that work is corrupted by a nanny/socialist state, we devolve as a nation of leaders and heroes. My dad was a hero: worked two jobs and put his five kids through school and higher education. He made the world a better place. We had whites, blacks, latino, asians, Africans and Afrikaans in our church and our dinner table. We learned to love all, especially those who disagreed with our lifestyle of unity and inclusion...that's where dad really shined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agm View Post
    Hello!

    Yes, I stand by my statement that racism is an issue in the daily life of minorities today. I can state other's experiences that I know as well as my own. That does not mean that I or others wish to throw away our history or the greatness of our nation and other nations. Black people were enslaved in the US for hundreds of years. We have been walking a lifestyle of rights and values for only decades. I think we will get there in time. While it is my reality, it isn't an experience that I feel every moment or by a majority of persons I am in contact. It's definitely not something I focus upon. I speak to 70-80% caucasian congregants and I love my job! i spend time with many many great and amazing people!

    I would disagree with you on Richard Pryor. While he did popularize saying the N word in his comedy, my father was called that word by both sides his whole upbringing (during the times you mentioned.) by BOTH whites and black folks. He would be 88 years old (passed away a couple of years back) today and lived the movements that shaped American culture much more than myself.(48 years old) But again, it is not a word spoken by whites only! I hate that black people use it, I have taught my children to be kind or be quiet, Ha! While I have travelled to 20+ countries, there are great ones, but I have not lived in them. I would not choose to live anywhere other than the US. This land is great...no debate there!

    On Jeremiah Wright, While I do not know the man, I am not a black liberationist nor militant when it comes to change. His dogma isn't new but it is divisive. I dislike and speak counter-this type of leadership. I have had dinner with Raphael Warnock on two different occasions. He is a kind man. I don't agree with his stance on abortion, nor his embracing of communist leadership and principles. I think a man should work for his food, and that work will produce a result. (The law of the harvest) When that work is corrupted by a nanny/socialist state, we devolve as a nation of leaders and heroes. My dad was a hero: worked two jobs and put his five kids through school and higher education. He made the world a better place. We had whites, blacks, latino, asians, Africans and Afrikaans in our church and our dinner table. We learned to love all, especially those who disagreed with our lifestyle of unity and inclusion...that's where dad really shined.
    I said Richard Pryor made the N word popular today, not that he invented the word. Racism is an issue in the daily life of a minority only if that person believes it to be so. The great thing about America is anyone, and I mean literally anyone has the same chance at a peaceful, prosperous and happy life if they choose. I can tell you I've worked in gov't and the private sector quite extensively and can say with certainty that minorities (and women) were not discriminated against one bit. But again, if you think white people are racist, the country is racist or society is against you, it will always be that way for that person. And as far as Reverend Wright and Warnock are concerned. They are racist, country haters. Plain and simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by jettyman View Post
    I said Richard Pryor made the N word popular today, not that he invented the word. Racism is an issue in the daily life of a minority only if that person believes it to be so. The great thing about America is anyone, and I mean literally anyone has the same chance at a peaceful, prosperous and happy life if they choose. I can tell you I've worked in gov't and the private sector quite extensively and can say with certainty that minorities (and women) were not discriminated against one bit. But again, if you think white people are racist, the country is racist or society is against you, it will always be that way for that person. And as far as Reverend Wright and Warnock are concerned. They are racist, country haters. Plain and simple
    I did not say Richard Pryor invented anything...look at my post. He popularized it. It was my response to you sayng folks did not say it during specific times in history before he made it popular in his comedy, to which I disagreed from my forebears experiences shared.

    I hear you loud and clear my friend...I'm not a fan of those two men and their stances.

    BTW: I also think defunding the police is dumb...just sayin'. (Great officers and detectives in my congregation. I even hosted a unity and support event for my local agencies)
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    Re: Personal Offence...?

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    As a statement to be taken without relativity to anything else said in this thread...that is a very intelligent quotation. I really wish I could put into a few sentences how I feel/think like that. Big props to a Mr Carlin and a Mr SublimeZ; and my thanks.
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    Re: Personal Offence...?

    Quote Originally Posted by jtrosky View Post
    Funny - black people say it ALL OF THE TIME - yet they don't seem to have to "deal with the consequences"? However, if a white person says it, all of the sudden it's the worst thing that could ever be said in the history of the world. Does that mean that *they* are the racist ones - since they only have a problem with it when it's said by certain races?

    Like I said, the word is said all of the time in rap videos and even in everyday conversation among blacks - and nobody has a problem with that - but God forbid a white person says it in exactly the same way.

    It's a freaking word - if a word *really* triggers you that badly, there is something else going on. If someone says "cracker" - or "whitey" - or "honky" - it certainly doesn't "trigger" me like that.

    It's funny - I've been watching "All In The Family" episodes - and they used to be able to joke back and forth about the racial stereotypes without all of the drama. Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. Races are different - they do have different customs, different preferences and even physical differences - we should be able to discuss and laugh about the differences instead of getting all worked up over them.
    My apologies for the pathetic cliché/pun/poor ass humour...

    but 'Word' man.

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    Re: Personal Offence...?

    No apologies are required (if directed at me)...our differing beliefs have been established and are mutually respected (they are from my POV as my initial post hopefully stated) *cannot be assed finding a 'friendly smile' emoji so will have to do sorry*

    Quote Originally Posted by Holmz View Post
    But in reality that is only happening in the levant, and not in any western secular society which is considered part of modernity.
    Teeheehee yes...only in the levant...no one is being beheaded for in a secular setting of societal modernity teaching a class about free speech...

    That is enough of that though.

    Apologies if any comment I have made has led this in a religious direction. Whilst there was a hint towards an attached 'appendix' relating to my personal religious beliefs and something they had in common with a now ordained sacrilegious word; that was not the MAIN intention of my initial comment. In truth I was only seeking some clarification from a mainly American audience as to how said 'word' and its related concepts were being 'seen' (be that by the blue collar, white collar, right wing, extremist left wing that is now center...maybe center left <yes apologies>, or gun toting hillbilly's spitting the second amendment...all viewpoints were/are welcome). When I say 'seen' that is a difficult singular word...perhaps 'accepted', 'viewed'...someone smarter than me come up with a better word!

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    Re: Personal Offence...?

    Quote Originally Posted by jettyman View Post
    I've worked in gov't and the private sector quite extensively and can say with certainty that minorities (and women) were not discriminated against one bit.
    I only worked in the private sector but I would have to disagree with this point (and no personal offence at all intended!).

    Bear in mind I speak of Australian society so perhaps this is different; but twice I was brought before my bosses for commenting that a female employee had nice attire on that day and was she going to a job interview (for the record I had no interest in either female...in truth I would likely have been to 'shy' to say such a thing if I indeed had some attraction to said female!). I do not tell a lie.

    Perhaps I was young and naïve (perhaps there is not a shred of 'perhaps'! XD); but any sideways comment towards a female or a black person was liable for near instant dismissal. Not so when Level 1 labourers heckled me (as the Project Manager) regarding my religious beliefs though...funny. As I have said; that concept is an appendix only (if that).

    However perhaps things differ in the US? 'Watercooler banter' will always exist; but outright spoken dislike towards a person for who that person is (be that male. female, black, yellow, green, wishing to be referred to as a differing pronoun, or god forbid religious {again; sorry...very lame }) may be viewed different? I am interested in how different countries and cultures view such things...

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