Coronavirus fears hammer markets - how far will it go?

[DavidRam]

Seriously though, what gets me about this bunch is that you can pretend to be so analytical and open-minded, yet you refuse to criticize Trump in any way. You refuse to acknowledge any of his missteps, no matter how major. You'll lay blame on democrats, China, the media, or anyone who does not exactly align with your ideals, but for some reason can't see an elephant in the room. You seem to be content in the idea that the trump daughter and her husband will lead us to some better place...in constant lies and re-adjustments simply because you feel that this is better than that. If you want to be taken seriously, then try and see it all - not just what you want to see.

Uuuuhhh, I thought we were talking about the virus? What does Trump have to do with the virus? Unless, your position is that the virus is his fault, in that case let's discuss that possibility!


Edit: Btw, I don't see the point in wasting my time criticizing Trump... There are plenty of people taking care of that already anyways. Absolutely nothing is accomplished by sitting around criticizing someone, imho.

[Grinder]

In a few months more truths and actual facts about the virus and the real numbers will be evident. That's when the real shock will happen. All the lies and deception for everyone to see. Brace yourselves

That would be wonderful. Truly a miracle. Indeed, a deus ex machina. On what sort of logic or evidence do you base your analysis? What will stop the controlled narrative (for example): "Yay! We did as we were told, and millions of lives have been saved! But we're not out of the woods yet. Not even close. To avoid complete economic collapse in the very near future, to avoid the end of the world as we know it, we must now..." Well, you get the picture.

[jettyman]

That would be wonderful. Truly a miracle. Indeed, a deus ex machina. On what sort of logic or evidence do you base your analysis? What will stop the controlled narrative (for example): "Yay! We did as we were told, and millions of lives have been saved! But we're not out of the woods yet. Not even close. To avoid complete economic collapse in the very near future, to avoid the end of the world as we know it, we must now..." Well, you get the picture.

I'm saying the lies will be exposed in a few more months. For example, the real fatality rate will be will be much, much lower than they have been saying etc. It will all come to light

[DavidRam]

Here is typical mainstream media, watch how they insert their standard bullshit into this article:

A number of Trump supporters rally Saturday on Main Street in Huntington Beach against business closures due to the coronavirus pandemic. (Irfan Khan/Los Angeles Times)A group of more than 100 protesters demanded that California ease stay-at-home restrictions that have helped slow the spread of the coronavirus.
The demonstration Friday in Huntington Beach generated national headlines and come amid similar protests elsewhere in the country.
But they don't necessarily represent the majority view. In fact, several polls have found wide support for the social-distancing rules despite the economic carnage they have caused.
Here is what we know.
Polling
Ninety-five percent of respondents say they supported Los Angeles elected officials’ decision to implement a stay-at-home order for all but essential personnel, a Loyola Marymount University poll released last week found.
Those who identified as politically conservative tended to be more skeptical both of the stay-at-home orders and of the level of threat posed by the virus.

Kira Beattie, in white T-shirt, joins a rally against stay-at-home orders. A number of Trump supporters gathered Saturday on Main Street in Huntington Beach against business closures due to the coronavirus pandemic. (Irfan Khan/Los Angeles Times)MoreOnly 76% of them viewed the virus as a real threat, compared with 91% among liberals. Conservatives also saw themselves as less vulnerable, with 74% saying they worried they would catch the virus, compared with 85% of liberals.
The poll surveyed 2,000 households in Los Angeles County. It had a margin of error of 2.2%.
A Quinnipiac University poll released last week also showed wide support for stay-at-home orders on a national level. "While most states have issued their own stay at home orders, 81 percent of voters say they would support a stay at home order on a national level," the pollsters said.
A Politico/Morning Consult poll found that the vast majority of Americans would prefer to keep stay-at-home rules if the alternative meant more spread of the coronavirus.
Protester voices
The protesters claimed the dangers of the coronavirus and benefits of social distancing are overblow, despite scientific evidence to the contrary.
Benny White, a 33-year-old Compton resident dressed in a faux white hazmat suit with goggles and a Trump 2020 hat, bounced around from corner to corner, often drawing a sizable crowd. The suit had hand-written Sharpie messages that included the name of an extreme right-wing website and “China Lied People Died.”
White accused China of “constantly attacking our president.” White was also angry about social-distancing guidelines and hugged other protesters.
“It’s not dangerous out here. It’s not,” White said. “I’ve seen plenty of people out here. The beaches are open. It’s a nice beautiful day. What are we doing? Stop being a germophobe.”
Some of the signs included:
“COVID-19 A test run at socialism”
“Liberate Huntington Beach”
“OPEN CALI NOW”
“We deem our governor non-essential. Stop the tyranny”
“It’s time that California opens back up,” organizer Lisa Collins said. “We can’t [complain] about our freedoms and liberties being taken away if we aren’t willing to do something.”
“Now is the time,” she said. “We’ve complied ... It’s time for America to get back to work.”
Expert voices
Both political leaders and health officials say stay-at-home orders have saved lives.
California’s relatively quick action to close businesses and order residents to stay home has tamped down the coronavirus pandemic and left many hospitals largely empty, waiting for a surge that has yet to come. California has seen far fewer deaths than New York and other coronavirus hot spots, and experts believe early social distancing was a big factor. Here is a breakdown of deaths:
New York 17,131

New Jersey 3,840

Michigan 2,227

California 1,057
The initial success of the unprecedented shutdown of schools, businesses and other institutions has pleased experts and public health officials, prompting calls to keep the restrictions in place at least into May to help cement the progress.
Social distancing will be a critical factor. Lifting restrictions too early would likely lead to dangerous new jumps in coronavirus cases.
During the 1918 flu pandemic, more than 20 U.S. cities that relaxed physical distancing orders too quickly — even as the flu virus was still circulating — soon saw a new rise in cases. There will continue to be a threat of the coronavirus being reintroduced in areas where the outbreak has eased.
Campa is a Times staff writer. Sclafani writes for Times Community News.

[Porsche]

Seriously though, what gets me about this bunch is that you can pretend to be so analytical and open-minded, yet you refuse to criticize Trump in any way. You refuse to acknowledge any of his missteps, no matter how major. You'll lay blame on democrats, China, the media, or anyone who does not exactly align with your ideals, but for some reason can't see an elephant in the room. You seem to be content in the idea that the trump daughter and her husband will lead us to some better place...in constant lies and re-adjustments simply because you feel that this is better than that. If you want to be taken seriously, then try and see it all - not just what you want to see.

give me a break, how is any of this mess trumps fault, if you want to blame him than you can blame every leader of all there countries as well. the US and the rest of the country was lied to by china, imagine that. nobody, trump included thought it was as bad as it has turned out. cuomo, deblasio and every network including cnn thought this was just a flu and urged travel, etc etc etc. trump is turning it around, why cant people like you give the man some credit, nothing trump does will ever appease you which is pretty disgusting, he is the pilot per se of this country and its like you are cheering/hoping for him to fail and crash the plane which is very disturbing

its much more difficult to take people like yourself seriously because all you want to do is blame trump for every mishap and anything positive in his administration is only because of the last admin which is a total crock of sh1t

[Grinder]

I'm saying the lies will be exposed in a few more months. For example, the real fatality rate will be will be much, much lower than they have been saying etc. It will all come to light

Sure, but what will be the narrative? What good are a few isolated truths when they'll only serve to suit the narrative? "Look, everyone! Social distancing, sheltering in place and shutting down the economy worked!" That will be the narrative.

[rob feature]

What does Trump have to do with the virus?

He's head dick. It's his responsibility to help lead through the crisis. He is failing.

[rob feature]

give me a break, how is any of this mess trumps fault, if you want to blame him than you can blame every leader of all there countries as well. the US and the rest of the country was lied to by china, imagine that. nobody, trump included thought it was as bad as it has turned out. cuomo, deblasio and every network including cnn thought this was just a flu and urged travel, etc etc etc. trump is turning it around, why cant people like you give the man some credit, nothing trump does will ever appease you which is pretty disgusting, he is the pilot per se of this country and its like you are cheering/hoping for him to fail and crash the plane which is very disturbing

its much more difficult to take people like yourself seriously because all you want to do is blame trump for every mishap and anything positive in his administration is only because of the last admin which is a total crock of sh1t

I do give the admin some credit. They pushed back due dates for taxes for 2019. There is supposedly some relief in place for student loans. There's probably something else.

Don't get me wrong. I want the pilot to land this plane. It just looks like it's going to require some help from the tower.

[Porsche]

He's head dick. It's his responsibility to help lead through the crisis. He is failing.

failing, seriously. he had to fight for the money in this crisis, the dems want to have the kennedy center going, they got there money and still furloughed 65% of the staff. they wanted money for illegals that do not pay taxes etc, so much for helloing your own, and all types of other BS to use the money on instead of the US citizen and small business. i see you thru student loans in there, what the hell does that have to do with this crisis. that disgust me much like when i see these commercials like optima tax relief, cheat your taxes, do not pay your CC bills, etc and we will get a settlement for you so you only pay 10-20% of what you actually owe, give me an f'n break

its hard to win and succeed when you constantly have to fight the dems even when this is for our country and not for a political gain. oh yea, lets not forget the dems want to give more millions to iran etc

[rob feature]

failing, seriously. he had to fight for the money in this crisis, the dems want to have the kennedy center going, they got there money and still furloughed 65% of the staff. they wanted money for illegals that do not pay taxes etc, so much for helloing your own, and all types of other BS to use the money on instead of the US citizen and small business. i see you thru student loans in there, what the hell does that have to do with this crisis. that disgust me much like when i see these commercials like optima tax relief, cheat your taxes, do not pay your CC bills, etc and we will get a settlement for you so you only pay 10-20% of what you actually owe, give me an f'n break

its hard to win and succeed when you constantly have to fight the dems even when this is for our country and not for a political gain. oh yea, lets not forget the dems want to give more millions to iran etc

Not here to defend the dems, illegals or any of that. Just trying to encourage you to have a look at the big picture.