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    Re: Kenwood KAC 7204 AMP

    A 4 channel with twice as much power as components are rated for RMS , if you can afford it.

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    Re: Kenwood KAC 7204 AMP

    Yes, a 4 channel would work well.
    Check out the link Grinder provided regarding series parallel. Also check out some of the other basics on that site such as ohm's law.
    Meh, it'll play.

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    Re: Kenwood KAC 7204 AMP

    2 Image Dynamic ID8s or 10s would work well off 250w a piece. I had 2 Tidal Audio aka rebadged ID12s running 200w a piece in a sealed. Sounded awesome!

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    Re: Kenwood KAC 7204 AMP

    I'm gonna go with a ported box. I love bass but I like it loud too. The question I ask is, If I know my cubic feet of each chamber of the enclosure and the tuning of it, how do I shop subs that's compatible? What specs am I looking for in the sub descriptions. Also, how much is the amp setting involved when tuning?

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    Re: Kenwood KAC 7204 AMP

    Quote Originally Posted by Packers27 View Post
    I'm gonna go with a ported box. I love bass but I like it loud too. The question I ask is, If I know my cubic feet of each chamber of the enclosure and the tuning of it, how do I shop subs that's compatible? What specs am I looking for in the sub descriptions. Also, how much is the amp setting involved when tuning?
    You're looking for T/S specs, which you then enter into modeling software such as WinISD, along with your box volume, tuning frequency, and power, to provide valuable insight as to box/sub compatibility, as well as suitability to your tastes, preferences, system goals and/or limitations, vehicle, etc.

    Download WinISD for free at: http://www.linearteam.org/

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    Re: Kenwood KAC 7204 AMP

    A subsonic filter on the amp is useful when a ported box is your choice ( protects subwoofer from unloading below tuned frequency . ) U just buy a new sub if it unloads and bottoms out ( clacking or voice coil hitting frame ).

    Take a look for a sub that the fs is lower than your tuning frequency ( i.e. if tuning to 35 hertz , an fs of 30 or lower ). ( Andy is right , an underhung design , though not having much more than 13 mm of Xmax would be a great choice )! For SPL/SQL Xmax is important ! An inch and a half to 2 1/2" is great.
    For power up to twice as much as RMS will work. Dual voice coils allow for wiring at lower ohms or by decreasing resistance , more amperes flow .

    Good Luck !

    Tuning section covers crossovers ( up @ top of general car audio discussion )
    Last edited by Queef; 11-26-2019 at 11:19 PM.

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    Re: Kenwood KAC 7204 AMP

    By Andy Wehmeyer (from "Designed for sealed or ported")

    Here's the deal...go get a cup of coffee...

    The Qts of the speaker indicates the shape of the roll-off. A Qts of .707 is considered ideal for infinite baffle because provides the best compromise between low frequency extension and transient response. So, let's say you have a woofer and you want to build a sealed box. Let's also say you have a TARGET Qtc (total Q of the box and woofer) of .707 and your woofer has a Qts of .5

    The box volume will be calculated to provide an "aid" to the speaker's suspension (makes the suspension stiffer) so that the Qtc will be raised to the target of .707. If the woofer has a very compliant suspension (low Q) then the box will have to contribute more restoring force, so it will have to be small. If the woofer has a stiff suspension (higher Q) then the box will have to contribute less restoring force, so it will have to be bigger. If the Qts of your woofer is higher than the target Qtc, then the target isn't achievable.

    So, the Q of the woofer determines the volume of the box for a given target Qtc. The low frequency extension is determined by the woofer's resonance frequency, Fs. The Fs is also raised in the sealed box iin the same proportion as the increase in Qts to Qtc.

    So, a woofer with a really low Qts and a low Fs is well suited to a small sealed box SO LONG AS THE VOICE COIL IS LONG. Sealed boxes require much more excursion from the speaker than vented boxes do. A woofer with a short coil is not well suited to a sealed box unless it will be driven with very low power.

    A vented box is more complicated. It's a combination of a sealed box and an additional resonance. A low Q woofer designed for a sealed box will work just fine in a vented box, but the additional coil necessary for the sealed box will be wasted in the vented box and its mass makes for a less efficient system than a woofer with the same Q and less mass.

    Anyway, the box volume for a vented box is calculated to provide a target response similar to the sealed box. Usually the volume is a bit bigger because we want a lower Qtc (which doesn't really exist in the vented arrangement, but we'll use it as an example).

    The port is basically a speaker that's designed to play loudly at one note. Its response is a peak. We design the port to have a response that compliments the response of the woofer. We hear the sum of the output of the woofer and the output of the port. If we increase the tuning frequency, we have an area where the port's response and the woofer's response have a small gap--that creates a peak in the response in those frequencies. If we move the port to a lower frequency, we have a dip in the frequencies in between. Usually, the resonance frequency is chosen to extend the low frequency response as low as possible while maintaining flat response. For small bookshelf-style home speakers, a little bump is often helpful in providing some additional bass.

    At the frequency where the box is tuned, the port plays, but the woofer hardly moves. This is because the acoustic impedance (pressure) inside the box is much higher. Yes, the pressure inside a ported box is HIGHER (at the tuned frequency) than in a sealed box. Below the frequency where the box is tuned, there is much LESS pressure than in a sealed box--hence the need for a subsonic filter. So, at the low frequencies where the box is tuned, the woofer doesn't move much, so we don't need a heavy long coil. That makes it easier to make a more efficient woofer, since we don't need so much moving mass.

    OK, so what does all of this mean?

    1. If you're going to use lots of power and a sealed box, then you need a woofer with a long coil.

    2. If you're going to use a vented box, a woofer with a shorter coil will be fine.

    3. If you use a woofer designed for a small sealed box (low Q) in a vented box, the box volume requirement will be small and the port frequency requirement will be low. That means the port will be very long and the box will be difficult to build because the port will be difficult to fit in the box.

    4. If you use a woofer with a short coil, designed for a vented box, in a sealed box with high power, the woofer will run out of coil and you'll hear distortion. Because the condition that produces the distortion is symmetrical (coil leaves the gap in both directions), the distortion will be mostly odd-order, which sounds nasty. "Brap Brap Brap".

    So, what's the conclusion?
    Your power requirement and choice of box type determines whether a long coil (woofer with high Xmax) is necessary. Almost all woofers will work in a sealed or vented box, so long as the woofer's Qts is lower than your target Qtc. A woofer with a Qts higher than .707 will have a peak in its response NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF BOX YOU USE. The rest is a matter of compromising between box size, power required to hit a target SPL and required low frequency extension.

    When you put the box in the car, the transfer function (car's frequency response) will be added to the response of the woofer. this will produce roughly a 12dB per octave increase in level as frequency is reduced starting at about 50 or 60 Hz, depending on the size of the car. A vented box will give you a big peak and a sealed box will not. If you have an EQ, then you can reduce the peak by reducing the power the amp has to provide at those frequencies. I think a vented box and EQ is always the best way to go, so long as you can afford the space and the EQ.
    https://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum...eply&p=1624920

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    Re: Kenwood KAC 7204 AMP

    Yall know your shit !!!!!

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    Re: Kenwood KAC 7204 AMP

    https://www.parts-express.com/harris...4aAnFJEALw_wcB

    Can be used with 4 ch amp as a subsonic filter.

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    Re: Kenwood KAC 7204 AMP

    As smitty suggested a forward firing box would suit me best but I CANNOT find a forward firing ported box ANYWHERE. I can find downward firing ported boxes all day though. I assume that a downward fired box would muffle the sound ir does the sound come out of the port?

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