12vTools (Joey C. or g0a)

Lets talk tools...

For the past few months I've been using 12vTools as my router bit supplier as well as for template tape (I go through about a roll a week on average).

Joey's knowledge of router bits, bit speeds, ect has been nothing short of amazing. He has a bit for just about any and every task you'd ever encounter in the 12v fabrication world... If he doesn't have a bit to your specifications, he will work with you to develop it and get a working prototype up and running.

His service is A+ all the way too. He will take the time to discuss things with you in detail, even if it doesn't net him a sale. He is very quick to respond to texts, voicemails, emails, and FaceBook messages.

I would recommend him over any supplier that I've used so far. This includes some big names in the 12v world as well as Rockler/WoodCraft/MLCS ect.

check him out when you get a chance

https://www.facebook.com/12vtools?fref=photo

Joey's knowledge of router bits, bit speeds and what they are used for is second to none, he is a man's man.

He'll help you to acquire knowledge that will get the job done !

So, if you're looking for that lil something extra . . .

Now , I don't know Joey ... but , I do know a man named Pete , He is an artisan/craftsman/et cetera !

He is similar to the other fella, 35 years of practice will make some men artiste.

Pete has made enclosures/amp racks/et cetera for me to my design for Oh ... a minute or so.

as a man who just buys bits for multi purpose things (other woodworking projects non car audio related) I use MLCS.com

You may be surprised to know that his bits are pretty comparable in price... But superior in quality.

Interesting. I have some MLCS bits and do like them a lot. But have always been impressed with g0a's knowledge of routers and bits, speed settings for different materials, etc.

Would definitely like to consider him for the next purchases.

His bits may be great, but his ultimate pry tool is my favorite thing that I've bought from him... Then again I'm easily amused, like a chimp with a stick.

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Originally Posted by TheDavel

His bits may be great, but his ultimate pry tool is my favorite thing that I've bought from him... Then again I'm easily amused, like a chimp with a stick.

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or a retard with a doorknob?

Doorknobs lead to black eyes.

really nice stuff 12vtools

Some follow up about the ass they call Joey... he flaunts his goods all over the web and seduces me all the time. I end up buying a bunch of stuff that I feel I need. I still love him, but damn my account doesn't.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps4ize4klm.jpg

My preferred writing utensils .09 for the win!!
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...psewfygvdd.jpg

I dropped a prototype bit Joey gave me and damage the bearing he made for it... he made me another and sent it with the quickness!

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...psft3npho7.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...psjznrg9iu.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q...psmz556xb8.jpg

so what you are saying is you like to tap dat ass? Its a shame all that stuff will be neglected for several months in your absence.

bringing this back up...

Have any of you guys used the flex templates? Any feedback?

they work pretty good. You have to make sure you use a plastic bearing on your flush trim bit or you will burn the template. I know Joey sells some kits with the template, bit (with euro bearing), and template tape for a decent price.

I wonder how they compare to these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...lutyp_wish_1_4

My main concern is having something that will hold its shape when I remove it from the car. I don't necessarily need it to be a router guide; I can trace it and cut with a jigsaw. I just want something that will allow me to shape out odd patterns and hold its shape when I take it from the car to the wood.

You might want a contour gauge instead. $10 and up depending on the length.

Mostly used in Autobody world where they need to match panels from side to side when shaping, but works well for what you are wanting to do


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Originally Posted by erinh

My main concern is having something that will hold its shape when I remove it from the car.

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you want one of these then.... http://www.uafproducts.com/reaction-pattern-generator/ dave got one and i was playing with it a bit. It holds shape exactly. Its basically a flexible hard rubber with metal inside to keep its shape.

That looks good but not long enough unfortunately. (TWSS!!!)

Well, probably long enough for just the kicks but if I'm spending that much money it would be nice to have something longer for future potential use in the trunk.

how long do you need it to be to satisfy your needs?

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Originally Posted by bobditts

how long do you need it to be to satisfy your needs?

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Awkward question.

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Originally Posted by bobditts

you want one of these then.... http://www.uafproducts.com/reaction-pattern-generator/ dave got one and i was playing with it a bit. It holds shape exactly. Its basically a flexible hard rubber with metal inside to keep its shape.

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Well, I decided to just buy these. I went through the paypal process and the total shipped came out to be $110!?!?

holy hell! I was fine if the price was $89 shipped but after adding 9% sales tax and $11.95 shipping... I'm out on these.



Any other ideas? Does anyone know if the 12vtools flexible templates hold shape when being removed? This thing is pretty much what I need but surely there's got to be something that doesn't cost me $110...

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Originally Posted by BigAl205

I wonder how they compare to these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...lutyp_wish_1_4

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kMLb69FnBk

In short, not up to my particular task's needs.

Found this...
http://amzn.to/1TBQ2SE

Reading around, these flexible rulers with lead cores are supposed to be pretty good at holding shape and that may be what the pattern generator essentially is. For $10 shipped, saving $100, I'll give it a go. I'll post up the results.

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Originally Posted by erinh

Any other ideas? Does anyone know if the 12vtools flexible templates hold shape when being removed? .

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I didn't realize what you were wanting it for at first. I've seen a tutorial using the template like Joey carries, it's basically a bunch of thin laminations that are held static at one end. When you flex the template into the shape you want it, you lock the laminations in place by putting tape on the edge, so the laminations can no longer slide by each other.

As mentioned before, you'd also need the special router bit with the square bearing to keep from melting the template.

it wont hold a perfect shape like what you are wanting Erin. Even after taping the end locking the laminations in place, there is going to be a little bit of movement. You could just do it the old fashioned way and cut a but of curves and straight pieces using 1/4" mdf and CA glue them together in the car. Then you use that as your template with a multiple bearing flush trim bit. That other flexible thing you bought for $10 looks nice, but I'm wondering how it will hold up to a router bit.

But, as I mentioned before, I don't need it for routing purposes. Only to make a transfer to wood.

If the blue thing works out for my needs I'll let you guys know in case someone else is in the same boat in the future.

Why not scribe a line on a piece of cardboard or thin mdf? Put a straight edge of whatever material against the profile you want to copy, make a 'puck' with the radius equal to the largest gap, drill a hole in the puck for a pencil, and trace the profile onto the mdf or cardboard. Repeat for the other side, and lay it out at the proper distance from the first profile you did.

edit: I used a ruler with a pencil taped to it, but I found it difficult to keep the ruler exactly horizontal as I traced the profile, so I had a bit of trial and error getting it to fit just right. The puck should eliminate that error factor.

Could you use something along the lines of a large profile gauge?
Like this but large enough for your project?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/QEP-10-in...032Q/202097525

or this

http://www.eastwood.com/15in-adjusta...ile-gauge.html

those are all fine options. I was simply looking for something that's made for this kind of task. the item Bob linked to certainly is... but it's cost prohibitive. I'll try the $10 thing from Amazon. if that doesn't work, I'll go with the old cardboard method.

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Originally Posted by erinh

But, as I mentioned before, I don't need it for routing purposes. Only to make a transfer to wood.

If the blue thing works out for my needs I'll let you guys know in case someone else is in the same boat in the future.

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Missed that part. This blue thing should work great for you then. The trick Jason mentioned is good too. I usually just use a pencil and a metal washer to scribe lines/curves on cardboard for transfers.


Erin, not sure if you have seen this video, but at 1:50 in, you can see Mark using that tool from Joey you were asking about.
http://www.caraudiofabrication.com/#...uty-panel/cbr9