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Trump's military past vs his present
You fellas who have served, and thank you for that, how do you reconcile the fact that your president fought the draft? He successfully deferred 4 times for what some call questionable reasons. He's now head of our military, but when he was called to serve, he fought it like his life depended on it.
You folks like me who haven't served - how do you see it?
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He sounds like this guy
https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996...ns/draft.shtml
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In the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311) and was never called to serve -- however, Clinton made every effort to avoid the draft prior to entering it.
First, Bill Clinton received education deferments while at Georgetown and Oxford (where he helped organize demonstrations against the war). Second, Clinton attempted to avoid the draft for four years by enrolling, but never joining, the Army Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC). Clinton had enrolled in the ROTC hoping to avoid military service for four years, but, wanting a future in politics, had a change of heart and entered the draft.
In December 1969, safe from the draft with his high lottery number, Clinton changed his mind about joining the ROTC program and wrote a letter to the director of the ROTC program thanking him "for saving me from the draft" and regretted misleading him by not revealing the extent of his opposition to the war. The letter was leaked by the Pentagon to ABC news early in the 1992 fueled criticism of candidate Clinton's character.
Later in the 1992 campaign, it became known that Clinton's uncle had attempted to get Bill Clinton a Navy Reserve assignment during the Vietnam war. Clinton said he didn't know anything about it to the press on September 3, 1992 but a day later admitted that a former draft board member had informed him of his uncles' attempt several months before.
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Not admirable. Cheating on his wife not admirable either. Guess he's not a saint. Anything else? At least he loves the military and doesn't hate the country like our last president.
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jettyman
Not admirable. Cheating on his wife not admirable either. Guess he's not a saint. Anything else? At least he loves the military and doesn't hate the country like our last president.
We compare current to past presidents a lot. That's probably a good thing.
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I tried to join the Air Force, but was turned down due to asthma, so I can't comment from that angle...but here's how I see it. You seem to be implying that the military shouldn't be run by a person you consider a coward.
After the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, if somebody had used a loophole to get out of the draft, I would consider it cowardice. After 9-11, when the war on terror began, if there had been a draft, I would have considered it cowardice to refuse to serve.
Vietnam, on the other hand, wasn't about retaliation or protecting America from foreign invaders, it was simply an extension of the Cold War...western democracy vs. communism. It was a stupid war of ideals that nobody wanted. If somebody tried to get out of going into a conflict that the government had no real intention of winning, I don't really consider it cowardice per-se.
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As a vet that has been in 2 wars I don't like when anyone defers when the country calls. However, there was/is a need for educational deferment. Some people just aren't cut out for the military and no one should criticize them for that. Most people (90%) don't get through all the requirements anyway. Who knows if Trump would have. I have more of a problem with people like Cassius Clay-Muhammad Ali who just refused.
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BigAl205
You seem to be implying that the military shouldn't be run by a person you consider a coward.
Well yeah. How can someone who's never been in a fight know how to fight?
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rob feature
Well yeah. How can someone who's never been in a fight know how to fight?
Or it is easier to abide the decision from someone who knows what it means to serve?
Or it gives him credibility which the draft dodger is not afforded.
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Really though
In a bar fight
Who would you rather have get your back?
a. Trump
b. Mcauuly Caulkin
c. Pauly Shore
d. Madonna
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rob feature
Well yeah. How can someone who's never been in a fight know how to fight?
Would you be making the same argument if Hillary had won? Did you give Obama the same scrutiny?
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Ask Isis, Baghdadi and Soleimani
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BigAl205
Would you be making the same argument if Hillary had won? Did you give Obama the same scrutiny?
AFAIK neither of them dodged the draft. Nor do they try and act like a tough guy.
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jettyman
Ask Isis, Baghdadi and Soleimani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtrn6-cKqkM
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He had 4 deferments while in college, and 1 medical from a doctor for bone spurs in his foot i believe. I'm not sure i would consider those "questionable".
Clinton and Obama also did not serve. were they qualified to be president?
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miniSQ
and 1 medical from a doctor for bone spurs in his foot i believe. I'm not sure i would consider those "questionable".
Yet those bone spurs haven't kept him from wasting over $100 million in tax dollars walking around the golf course all day which he claimed he wouldn't have time to do in the first place.
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ca90ss
Yet those bone spurs haven't kept him from wasting over $100 million in tax dollars walking around the golf course all day which he claimed he wouldn't have time to do in the first place.
i think the bone spurs might have healed in the past 50 years. And i doubt he walks. Probably get a cart with that 100 million.
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ca90ss
Yet those bone spurs haven't kept him from wasting over $100 million in tax dollars walking around the golf course all day which he claimed he wouldn't have time to do in the first place.
I can't remember but aren't you in California? If so you're elected officials passed a bill that gives illegal aliens free healthcare that will cost the actual citizens of Ca $100 million in the first year alone. I'd think you'd be more concerned with that.
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Lets see if it comes up as a talking point during debates. hah.
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jrwalte
Lets see if it comes up as a talking point during debates. hah.
They asked all the democratic nominees about that and every single one of them said they would give free healthcare to illegal aliens nationwide. No word exist in the English language for how crazy that is. Having said that, they already get it anyway. They all go to the hospital and hospitals can't turn them away. They never end up paying a dime.
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They'll promise free blowjobs if it'll get them a vote
It's the thought that counts, right?
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miniSQ
i think the bone spurs might have healed in the past 50 years. And i doubt he walks. Probably get a cart with that 100 million.
Bone spurs don’t go away on their own.
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jettyman
I can't remember but aren't you in California? If so you're elected officials passed a bill that gives illegal aliens free healthcare that will cost the actual citizens of Ca $100 million in the first year alone. I'd think you'd be more concerned with that.
Just once I’d like to see someone defend trump without trying to change the subject.
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ca90ss
Just once I’d like to see someone defend trump without trying to change the subject.
It cost millions anytime a president goes anywhere. Personally I think he should play golf less but there are much, much bigger problems. I outlined one of them. You should be outraged at what your politicians are doing to Californians. Assuming you live in Ca.
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ca90ss
Just once I’d like to see someone defend trump without trying to change the subject.
This thread is about his military past, yet you're the one who changed the subject to wasting $100M playing golf.
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jettyman
It cost millions anytime a president goes anywhere. Personally I think he should play golf less but there are much, much bigger problems. I outlined one of them. You should be outraged at what your politicians are doing to Californians. Assuming you live in Ca.
Thanks for proving my point.
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BigAl205
This thread is about his military past, yet you're the one who changed the subject to wasting $100M playing golf.
I was commenting on his bone spurs.
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You can't give sight to the blind. Just once I'd like to see the Trump haters give him some credit for the unbelievable/historic positives he's done for the country.
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:bs: You could have simply said "it hasn't kept him off the golf course", but instead you used it as a segue to bitch about the cost of his security detail.
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ca90ss
Thanks for proving my point.
So you're worried about his military deferment, bone spurs and playing golf but not the liberals in your state turning Ca into a 3rd world country, stealing from the US citizens there or the dem nominees pledging to give free healthcare to all illegals?
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Don't change the subject to the Democrats' failings...we're hating on Trump
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jettyman
So you're worried about his military deferment, bone spurs and playing golf but not the liberals in your state turning Ca into a 3rd world country, stealing from the US citizens there or the dem nominees pledging to give free healthcare to all illegals?
If you'd like to start a separate thread about how much California sucks I'll be happy to chime in.
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BigAl205
:bs: You could have simply said "it hasn't kept him off the golf course", but instead you used it as a segue to bitch about the cost of his security detail.
And in your first post in this thread you could have defended trump rather than change the subject to Clinton.
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ca90ss
If you'd like to start a separate thread about how much California sucks I'll be happy to chime in.
If I start a thread with all the great things Trump has created would you chime in to that?
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jettyman
If I start a thread with all the great things Trump has created would you chime in to that?
As soon as he does something great you can start that thread.
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ca90ss
And in your first post in this thread you could have defended trump rather than change the subject to Clinton.
My first post was a quick response while I typed up the second. I can't type worth a shit.
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ca90ss
As soon as he does something great you can start that thread.
Hahahahaha. Like I said, you can't teach the blind to see
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The good or bad things Trump has done depends on your perspective. He has done some good things. He has done many, many more bad things from where I sit. I'd say the balance falls deep in the bad category. But his disciples generally tend to give him all credit and no criticism. They overlook even the most obvious disturbing parts of his character and actions. It shouldn't be any surprise then that those who do not worship him may be slow to acknowledge any positives.
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Originally Posted by
jettyman
I can't remember but aren't you in California? If so you're elected officials passed a bill that gives illegal aliens free healthcare that will cost the actual citizens of Ca $100 million in the first year alone. I'd think you'd be more concerned with that.
Are you not from Va where they want to roll back the second amendment? Or is that just in the confederate capital?
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Since we're going off topic, today Trump's Space Force showed off the depth of their creativity as they unvielled the new Space Force uniforms. This should allow Space Force to blend in nicely with all the space trees and space bushes.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cp...spaceforce.jpg