2013 Kia Sorento

I don't have as many pictures of this build, but it is my wife's SUV. Much less involved than my truck.

Equipment:
Factory HU
Speedwire
Dayton DSP 408
Alpine PDR-V75
Image Dynamics XS 65 2 way set
Pioneer TS-SWX2502 sub (soon to be my 10" JL TW3 when my MKV's come in)
Resonix CLD on front doors only
Thinsulate on front doors only

Full sound deadening log can be found here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1P-...nDeTEDQo8t8npQ

Got my wife's suv mostly done. Still need to tune it but so far I am liking the Dayton DSP-408. Need to add some more delay to the remote out amp turn on but looks like I may need to buy a time delay relay to accomplish that.


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Did a little bit of work to the kia this weekend. It received a new engine about 7,000 miles ago for the manufacturing defect (so free to us). Due to that and the car still being in really good shape, I am doing a little work on it. I got new floor mats (weathtec), got window visor covers to crack the window, got the interior detailed and cleaned, and now installed a new head unit to replace the old piece of crap UVO by microsoft.

This was a process because the 2013 kia sorento information isn't for the uvo system, they have info for the non uvo, or uvo with amplififier, but we just have uvo no amp.

So I had to go to kia tech info and do the 72hour access to gain access to the wiring diagrams. This was also another point of frustration as every other harness connector has the easy to read pinout diagrams for the connector. The uvo does not, so I had to create my own!

I used that site to make my own pinout since I couldn't find one. It appears nearly identical to the 2014 kia sorento pinouts too. I tried to make the pinouts semi professional looking via a picture and table design.

2013 Kia sorento uvo backside

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2013 Sorento with Uvo 18 pin


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For Comparison, here is the 2014 uvo 18 pin:


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2013 kia sorento with uvo 24 pin

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What it looked like as a factory system

UVO WAS TERRIBLE! It would take a couple of minutes for my phone to connect via bluetooth and longer to connect via usb. Then the usb would disconnect every few minutes. I think it was the circuit board design for the usb/aux port.

This doesn't even get to the main point of why it was terrible...all digital connections (aux, usb, bluetooth) were factory time aligned via the head unit. BUT, the radio (fm or am) and phone calls were not! so you could only time align to one or the other, not both!

SO that junk was removed after 10 years of putting up with trash ;)

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Got the new radio installed. Here is what I used

Idatalink Maestro RR, Idataline Maestro hk1 harness, Kenwood DMX-957xr, Metra Dash kit

I was told the hk1 harness would not be compatible with this 2013 model year. It works flawlessly so far. I retained everything including the backup camera. I installed it exactly the same way as a 2014 kia sorento without amplifier. I even flashed the maestro rr with 2014 kia sorento information since there isn't any for 2013.

Here is the after

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I also added a front camera to the install. The kenwood allows for up to 4 camera inputs. The maestro allows the factory backup to be retained (no backup lines, but the kenwood HU added those back) and to control the front camera turning on and off at certain speeds (under 7mph on, over 12mph off are my current settings)

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I did try to use the idatalink maestro uhk1 - usb adapter to retain the factory usb and aux input. The factory did a weird thing and put a little circuit board there that then is like a little DAC for the aux and transmits the usb or aux to the head unit. So this was to replace that circuit board, well that didn't work out. I kept getting usb errors everytime I used it.

Cool Idea though and idatalink says it depends on the head unit if it works or not...... You would think the kenwood dmx957xr being the top of the line and would work.

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I will be most likey gutting the factory usb/aux port and doing this:
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This car also has a slightly different sub than what was in the picture. It has the jl tw3 that came out of my truck when I upgraded to dual 12" stereo integrity bm mkv's.

I also installed the dayton dsp 408 remote while running wires. Not sure if I will keep it or not...it is unfortunately one that is creating noise. I will try to remedy this later by re-running the wire some place else and see if it fixes the noise issue. I did run it right next to the rca run, and I have heard bad things about doing this (after getting it installed, then reading why I have noise). I will try some other way I suppose.

This was how I installed the maestro unit. I did properly tap the obd port, since it doesn't have space to connect anything without having a cover exposing the fuse panel off.
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This is great!!!! I find the general lack of knowledge on Kia forums about aftermarket audio disturbing.

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This is great!!!! I find the general lack of knowledge on Kia forums about aftermarket audio disturbing.

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Yup, it is bleak over there. I did post this information over on the kia forums after I couldn't find any information during my search for answers.

I installed a device from these guys, so far for half a year the radio has been working fine, you can contact them
htttps://smarty-trend.com/kia-sorento-2013-2015/5818-kia-sorento-2012-2021-android-car-stereo-navigation-in-dash-head-unit-ultra-premium-series.html

Did a few updates to this car a couple of weeks ago. Went all JL Audio.

Front - C3 2 way components
Rear - C2 coaxial
Subs - 2 JL Tw3's in truckwedge boxes
Amps - VXI 800/8 and 1000/1
VXI Hub and optical loopback for global eq

All the product
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Mocking up New amp locations.

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Pulling all the stupid panels


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Having to run a ground under the vehicle. All factory grounding locations and original had like 6 ohms of resistance. I knew this wasn't great for the other amp (alpine pdr) I had in there before, but I was too lazy at that point to run a ground so went easy route at that time...but now with this much power on tap, I couldn't do that.

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Running new wire into the rear doors. Front already was done on previous install.
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Single Amp Rack mockup done.

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Building the amp rack. My inspriation was to mimick the tw3 in the truck wedge box. I need to go back and shave the carpet on the amp rack....it was very fuzzy.

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Second amp rack done

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Both amps on them

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Everything all wired up
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Closer view of the wiring on the back

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Got both subs in there now
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Everythign all conceals perfectly. My wife opted for the 2 row model and not a 3rd row. That left this nice area to hide everything

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Got it all Tuned with the JL Max. This 2 way is one of the best I have ever heard. It images like crazy and sounds fantastic. I am in shock at how well it sounds.

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Nice and clean!

looks great. I love a great stealth build.

Here is some other info for anyone that searches for kia radios.
This is from a 2013 kia sorento radio with uvo without factory amp.
Note, there is technically pins for spdif coax, but when checking, those were not active on my radio.

I am no longer using this radio (we use it for our trainings now)

Finally put the Kia radio on the test bench at work with the JL MAX. Also remembered to bring in my FM transmitter, (using radio static and open loop actually worked well for this as I got similar results for time stuff, rta was different though.

Aux/USB/Bluetooth in has 1.00ms of delay between left and right channel FM/Phone calls/etc in has 0.41ms of delay between left and right channels.
So if a person wanted to use this Kia Factory radio, and have a good system, they wouldn't be able to time align to all sources without different presets.


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This is the impulse between aux/usb/bluetooth audio in (yellow and orange with 1ms of delay) and FM/AM/Phone calls (green and blue with 0.41ms of delay) This is why you need two presets for this radio. Also, neither are actually correct delays for proper time alignment to main listening position. I do not know how they came up with these numbers either...

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Factory eq on it. It did have volume dependent eq. The top orange is vol e, and the one right below is vol30. If no vol eq, those would be the same. It isn't much but there is some treble and bass roll off compared to lower volumes.

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Another way to see the factory delay. I summed the left and right signal going into the JL max hi level ins. When doing this, you can clearly see the delay appear as comb filtering. You can model this too with the target mode in tun.

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The JL Max also allows you to delay the hi level in signal. So I did that to remove the delay. You could do this with a sound card like RME/Focusrite/etc, but be VERY CAREFUL on how much voltage you put into one of those!

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These are the bass, mid, treble adjustments compared to default. Bass adjusts below about 100hz. Treble above about 4k, and mid is 300-1k.

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This is the powerbass option within the radio. It increases the bass but lowers the midbass (~150hz) some. I would personally set this to high if I was using this radio.

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Thanks for posting that. Even though it might not be relevant right now, it could be invaluable for someone in the future.