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"Trump Responds to Iran Strikes: New Sanctions, No War"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V23toIOIaM
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Originally Posted by
ca90ss
Unfortunately, that seems to pretty well sum it up.
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So you are taking Iran's side?
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jettyman
So you are taking Iran's side?
With respect to what, exactly?
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A simple no would have sufficed but I got it.
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jettyman
A simple no would have sufficed but I got it.
No, you haven't "got it." it's not simply a matter of Iran = bad vs US = good.
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Grinder
No, you haven't "got it." it's not simply a matter of Iran = bad vs US = good.
Yes I do. Please tell us more though
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jettyman
Yes I do. Please tell us more though
If you're only here to stir the pot and/or troll, kindly go and fuck yourself. :birds:
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Grinder
If you're only here to stir the pot and/or troll, kindly go and fuck yourself. :birds:
Look dipshit, he was the world's leading terrorist. That guy spent every day of his life killing and planning to kill innocent people. He should have been killed years ago. To insinuate that we are playing the victim is beyond the level of dumb. So yes, the correct answer should have been NO. And besides, you started this thread. Do you only want people agreeing with your stupidity replying?
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jettyman
Look dipshit, he was the world's leading terrorist. That guy spent every day of his life killing and planning to kill innocent people. He should have been killed years ago. To insinuate that we are playing the victim is beyond the level of dumb. So yes, the correct answer should have been NO. And besides, you started this thread. Do you only want people agreeing with your stupidity replying?
First off, why not try watching the two videos i posted and commenting on those, before presuming to insist that you've somehow understood a nuanced point of view that I have not yet shared.
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Grinder
First off, why not try watching the two videos i posted and commenting on those, before presuming to insist that you've somehow understood a nuanced point of view that I have not yet shared.
You did insinuate that we are now playing the victim. And I did watch most of the videos. But I don't have to watch a random youtube video. I spent many months at Al Asad and I had friends that were killed by the piece of shit. And they weren't harming anyone.
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Wow, this has escalated quickly...
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I take serious exception with any kind of notion of sympathy or wrongdoing or saying we're playing the victim with regard to that bastard. I had friends that were killed by him. They were good guys trying to help the Iraqi people.
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jettyman
You did insinuate that we are now playing the victim. And I did watch most of the videos. But I don't have to watch a random youtube video. I spent many months at Al Asad and I had friends that were killed by the piece of shit. And they weren't harming anyone.
Point taken. That cartoon is rather over the top, and I should have worded my response to it more clearly.
To be more clear, I am neither siding with Iran nor that "piece of shit." It's just that, in my opinion, we shouldn't be over there to the extent that we are the first place. This is not at all to say that whatever happens over there is all our fault.
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Grinder
Point taken. That cartoon is rather over the top, and I should have worded my response to it more clearly.
To be more clear, I am neither siding with Iran nor that "piece of shit." It's just that, in my opinion, we shouldn't be over there to the extent that we are the first place. This is not at all to say that whatever happens over there is all our fault.
How would it be better for anyone if we were not "over there"?
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Originally Posted by
Grinder
Point taken. That cartoon is rather over the top, and I should have worded my response to it more clearly.
To be more clear, I am neither siding with Iran nor that "piece of shit." It's just that, in my opinion, we shouldn't be over there to the extent that we are the first place. This is not at all to say that whatever happens over there is all our fault.
Everything changed because of 9/11. On my first deployment many years ago we could go downtown in different cities freely and shop or get something to eat. Most guys would go buy the awesome gold they have over there. But Bin Laden changed everything. They revere him as a hero. That's when the war on terror began. You can't go outside the base boundaries over there now unless you're in a armored convey and they get blown up pretty much every time now. If you tried to walk out of the base you would be kidnapped or killed immediately now. A lot of people don't realize how much the arab world is trying and planning to kill us. That's why we're still there. And we will be there long after we all die. It's hard to explain to someone that hasn't been over there. Saudi Arabia is a prime example. They hate us. I hated being there. They also hate Iran but an Iraqi told me once they have been fighting each other for thousands of years but they will always fight together to kill us. The fanaticism is beyond a level that most people could comprehend.
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miniSQ
How would it be better for anyone if we were not "over there"?
Presuming you are of the opinion that it would not likely be better for anyone if we were not "over there," I would not presume to change your mind ...never mind the fact that what I actually said was, "in my opinion, we shouldn't be over there to the extent that we are."
In any case, I don't claim to be an expert or even remotely well-versed in all of this. Simple fact is, a lot of what the dude in the video(s) said seemed sensible enough and rang true to me, and I thought that some of you-all might care to chime in.
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Originally Posted by
jettyman
Everything changed because of 9/11. On my first deployment many years ago we could go downtown in different cities freely and shop or get something to eat. Most guys would go buy the awesome gold they have over there. But Bin Laden changed everything. They revere him as a hero. That's when the war on terror began. You can't go outside the base boundaries over there now unless you're in a armored convey and they get blown up pretty much every time now. If you tried to walk out of the base you would be kidnapped or killed immediately now. A lot of people don't realize how much the arab world is trying and planning to kill us. That's why we're still there. And we will be there long after we all die. It's hard to explain to someone that hasn't been over there. Saudi Arabia is a prime example. They hate us. I hated being there. They also hate Iran but an Iraqi told me once they have been fighting each other for thousands of years but they will always fight together to kill us. The fanaticism is beyond a level that most people could comprehend.
Thank you for sharing your perspective; and (though it might sound trite) for your service.
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There are certainly lots of good reasons for us to leave the middle east entirely but there are also reasons that make it imperative that we have a continued presence there. Our gov't knows that. That's why O'bama didn't order us out.
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Originally Posted by
jettyman
Everything changed because of 9/11. On my first deployment many years ago we could go downtown in different cities freely and shop or get something to eat. Most guys would go buy the awesome gold they have over there. But Bin Laden changed everything. They revere him as a hero. That's when the war on terror began. You can't go outside the base boundaries over there now unless you're in a armored convey and they get blown up pretty much every time now. If you tried to walk out of the base you would be kidnapped or killed immediately now. A lot of people don't realize how much the arab world is trying and planning to kill us. That's why we're still there. And we will be there long after we all die. It's hard to explain to someone that hasn't been over there. Saudi Arabia is a prime example. They hate us. I hated being there. They also hate Iran but an Iraqi told me once they have been fighting each other for thousands of years but they will always fight together to kill us. The fanaticism is beyond a level that most people could comprehend.
What was the guy's track record after 9/11, and before we removed the bad guy Saddam and invaded Iraq?
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Holmz
What was the guy's track record after 9/11, and before we removed the bad guy Saddam and invaded Iraq?
Are you trying to say we shouldn't have taken him out?
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Let's be real here.... If Obama had "taken him out", the dems would be saying how great of a move it was. However, since it's Trump that ordered it, it's automatically a "bad" thing... That is the problem with the current political climate. The pure hatred for Trump causes sane people to think insanely. :-) It's not even up for debate whether or not this guy has done things to hurt the US and the American people - he was a major terrorist that was behind many American deaths and was reportedly in the planning stages of even more in the very near future. I don't see how it's even up for debate whether "taking him out" was a good or bad thing for the US, the American people and our allies... The world is a better place without him.
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If Obama had ordered it then the republicans would have been against it.
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ca90ss
If Obama had ordered it then the republicans would have been against it.
That didn't happen with OBL
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No, they just questioned his motives and called it a political stunt which isn’t much different than what the dems are doing now.
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ca90ss
No, they just questioned his motives and called it a political stunt which isn’t much different than what the dems are doing now.
No they didn't. Obama gave blanket approval to blow the shit out the Taliban/Al Qaeda with drones in Pakistan and the republicans agreed wholeheartedly.
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And after it happened they still criticized Obama over it.
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They had been hunting for him for years, but he kept eluding our people. When they finally got him pinned down, Obama gave the go-ahead to take him out. Where the criticism came in was when the Obama administration acted like they did something that nobody else could do. Obama just happened to be lucky enough to be in office when they found him. If Bin Laden had been killed while Bush was still in office, the media wouldn't have praised him like they did Obama...in fact, they probably would have accused Bush of murdering a poor Muslim cleric.
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You mean the media is mostly liberal? I’m shocked.
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jettyman
Are you trying to say we shouldn't have taken him out?
I see we are answering a question with a question?
As you seem to know, it seems I should ask... rather than assume I know.
To me from afar, I t seemed like Saddam was providing somewhat of a stabilising role in the region, and that the invasion destabilised the region.
Q2: What is you assessment of ^that^?
And from the same post...
Q1: Did the Iranian general's work take an unswing in frequency and rate after 9/11, or was he always doing that terrorist work?
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Originally Posted by
Holmz
I see we are answering a question with a question?
As you seem to know, it seems I should ask... rather than assume I know.
To me from afar, I t seemed like Saddam was providing somewhat of a stabilising role in the region, and that the invasion destabilised the region.
Q2: What is you assessment of ^that^?
And from the same post...
Q1: Did the Iranian general's work take an unswing in frequency and rate after 9/11, or was he always doing that terrorist work?
By Saddam being a stabilizing role are you referring to when he marched into the Iraqi Federal Council and had all opposing lawmakers escorted outside and shot in the head on the front steps? Or is it when once he gained control invade Iran and start a war with them. Or maybe it was when he decided to invade the tiny country of Kuwait and steal all their oil fields and cash and approve of his soldiers raping all the women and killing all the men. But then there was his plan to invade Saudi Arabia and take over the majority of oil in the middle east until we stopped that. Which stabilizing role are you referring to there. Or wait, maybe you're talking about him being responsible for killing 300,000-500,000 Iraqi's. Tell me which one you're talking about?
As for Soleimani, he has always pushed the shiite cause in the Mideast. He was a main supporter of the Islamic revolution. He was responsible for killing many thousands of innocent people in Iran, Syria, Iraq and throughout the world. His activities weren't an increase or upswing as you put it. He's been a committed murderer his whole life.
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jettyman
By Saddam being a stabilizing role are you referring to when he marched into the Iraqi Federal Council and had all opposing lawmakers escorted outside and shot in the head on the front steps? Or is it when once he gained control invade Iran and start a war with them. Or maybe it was when he decided to invade the tiny country of Kuwait and steal all their oil fields and cash and approve of his soldiers raping all the women and killing all the men. But then there was his plan to invade Saudi Arabia and take over the majority of oil in the middle east until we stopped that. Which stabilizing role are you referring to there. Or wait, maybe you're talking about him being responsible for killing 300,000-500,000 Iraqi's. Tell me which one you're talking about?
As for Soleimani, he has always pushed the shiite cause in the Mideast. He was a main supporter of the Islamic revolution. He was responsible for killing many thousands of innocent people in Iran, Syria, Iraq and throughout the world. His activities weren't an increase or upswing as you put it. He's been a committed murderer his whole life.
Thanks for responding.
i understand Kuwait,
i was mostly trying to find the external effect upon Soleimani and his ilk.
i also understand somewhat how each side want the other side to be dead. But they say that the lord works in mysterious ways.
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Holmz
Thanks for responding.
i understand Kuwait,
i was mostly trying to find the external effect upon Soleimani and his ilk.
i also understand somewhat how each side want the other side to be dead. But they say that the lord works in mysterious ways.
Our gov't never really wanted the other side dead. We never got involved with Iraq and Saddam until he started trying to take over all the oil in the middle east. Saudi Arabia might be the worst people in the middle east. They have attacked us repeatedly but we haven't attacked them. Just the opposite actually. We haven't invaded or really attacked Iran in spite of all their terrorist activities. We never invaded or attacked Afghanistan until they decided to side with Bin Laden and attack us. We even helped them during the war with Russia. Anyone who has been over there knows nothing will ever change there. Sooner or later another murderous dictator will take control of Iraq and he'll be pretty much like Saddam. During my times in Iraq our trauma units had WAY more injured and mutilated Iraqi's from infighting than from the US military. We were in a bad war with them and they were still killing each other more. A lot more. The only people that want the other side dead are the Islamic people themselves. They hate each other.
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Perhaps I missed a detail or 2 somewhere, but does it strike anyone else as odd that something on the order of 20 'ballistic missiles' hit a populated base and there were no casualties?
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rob feature
Perhaps I missed a detail or 2 somewhere, but does it strike anyone else as odd that something on the order of 20 'ballistic missiles' hit a populated base and there were no casualties?
The odd thing is that they picked Al Asad. I've spent time on a lot of bases in Iraq and if I were trying to kill americans the last base I would fire at would be Al Asad. Al Asad is a big base. Big in terms of size. Everything is spread out there. It's in the middle of nowhere. We felt totally safe there as there is no town anywhere near Al Asad. All you can see is desert in all directions. So Iran avoided attacking the other bases. Balad, Victory, so many other bases would be much much easier to conflict damage/casualties/injuries. When I first saw they attacked Al Asad I thought they were either extremely incompetent or they weren't really trying to kill anyone.
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jettyman
or they weren't really trying to kill anyone.
I'd be inclined to go with that one.
And then a quick announcement that 'all is well'. 'They appear to be standing down'. Almost like the thing was orchestrated to give the illusion of retaliation and then - OK, we're even. I'm just gonna go full conspiracy theorist here and note that the timing of it all makes for an awful convenient distraction and/or political stunt.
The downed jet though - tosses a wrench right in that one. Just a bizarre chain of events either way
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rob feature
I'd be inclined to go with that one.
And then a quick announcement that 'all is well'. 'They appear to be standing down'. Almost like the thing was orchestrated to give the illusion of retaliation and then - OK, we're even. I'm just gonna go full conspiracy theorist here and note that the timing of it all makes for an awful convenient distraction and/or political stunt.
The downed jet though - tosses a wrench right in that one. Just a bizarre chain of events either way
If you're referring to the sham impeachment headed to the senate next week just watch. It will be exposed for the sham/coup it is. Trump isn't worried about next week.
As far as Iran goes. They were scared shitless to kill any American. They haven't forgotten when Reagan called them and said "if our hostages aren't released and out of Iranian airspace in 24 hours we will bomb where you sleep and destroy your military. You have 24 hours". They released the hostages the first day Reagan took office.
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[QUOTE=jettyman;53072]If you're referring to the sham impeachment headed to the senate next week just watch. It will be exposed for the sham/coup it is. Trump isn't worried about next week.
As far as Iran goes. They were scared shitless to kill any American. They haven't forgotten when Reagan called them and said "if our hostages aren't released and out of Iranian airspace in 24 hours we will bomb where you sleep and destroy your military. You have 24 hours". They released the hostages the first day Reagan took office.
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I doubt there will be any exposure of a sham, but I also do not expect the Senate majority to take Trump's impeachment seriously.
Maybe they are scared to kill Americans, but how to explain downing an airliner full of innocent passengers - among them plenty of our Canadian allies?