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Looking for opinions on installing a midrange in the upper door location of the 04-08 f150. For instance SI TM65 mk3 lower door M3 upper door and tweeter molded into the mirror cover or A pillar. Just wondering if the midrange would be too far off axis.
Thanks.
Good question. Those are pretty flat from what I remember (my dad has a 2007), but good size to make a midrange look factory. Would you put the tweeters in the factory door location above the woofer?
That is what I have been looking at as one possible location. The other would end up with something along the lines of the newer models a pillar location.
I wonder if it would be better to put the midranges in the door locations (if possible) and then the tweeters up in the sail panels.
Ive seen a couple with the MR/TW mounted in the sail easily and they sounded pretty good.
I may have caused some confusion, I want the midbass and midrange in the door tweeter up high. Again just a thought.
Chefhow, I have thought about that even went so far as to make cardboard templates to see what kind of room they would need. I was just wanting to keep it all as out of sight as possible.
This would be my first three way setup and i have never dealt with a smaller midrange in the car before. So not really sure how directional they would be and whether being in the door location would be a nonstarter.
So, midbass in the 6x8 location, midrange in the factory tweeter location, tweeter up higher?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaddyMack
That is my current thought process. i have room in the upper door panel near the defrost vent that could house a tweeter as well as the a pillar locations.
My concern beyond imaging is blending between the tweeter and midrange. From what i have read the tweeter is more efficent and capable of handling more power. I wonder would I be better off going 2 way instead of three i like my music with a little volume.
My current thought process has me looking at the TM25, M3, TM65mkIII, with a pair of BMmk5 as the substage. I may need to look in another direction however the review I have read (everything except M3) has me intrigued.
Although i may be getting off topic based on the thread title. I am also up in the air on the subject of rear fill. Due to being tall and having a bad back I sit with my head almost inline with the rear speaker location. I am aware in order to properly process the rear fill I will need a DSP currently looking at the Helix models.
Honestly the last processed system I listened to was a demo vehicle using the then new at the time Fosgate Gavotte. With that in mind I would be open to opinions on the rear fill. Especially taking in to considerstion that I sit with the majority of my upper body behind the pillar. The top of my seatback is inline with the middle of the rear door speaker.
That definitely is a listener preference there. I've had success with rear speakers, HillBillySQ has had success with rear speakers, and Erin has offered the best advice I've ever read on how to tune rear speakers. Most people will not run them, as it's just another level of tuning that can already complicate everything else going on. The simplest setup I've ever used with rear speakers though, was a comps set up front, coax in rear, and delayed the rear speakers a LOT. It was quite magical, VERY enjoyable for daily listening. In an SQ comp though, I'm sure they would have ripped that thing apart with criticism.
I do understand that rear fill is a preference. I guess my concern can a DSP process the rear fill enough to allow a speaker that is basically below the listeners ear to serve as rear fill.
Oh absolutely. Some DSP can actually process the L-R that you really need to make it super successful, and some have the lengthy delay needed to make it even better. Long as you can attenuate the volume down enough and delay it quite a bit, you can still make rear fill pretty successful.
Thanks, that is what I am looking for, was concerned due to my proximity with the rears.
You'd have to pull the level of the rears down A LOT and set them up where the mono information is cancelled out only leaving left and right cues (L-R) whether it be in the processing or in the wiring. And pulling the level of the left speaker down quite a bit would make sense. And delay them 20+ milliseconds. I like the effect l-r rearfill gives you but I run it to give the fronts a better sense of space. Yes it will cause staging issues. I have my rears just barely loud enough to give a slight sense of space. And it's eq'd flat too. The effect it has depends on the song. I think it's worth it if you're just wanting to add a little extra spice to your tune.
I see you're from Hayden, AL. You should come to Al's gettogether in November.
I was looking into the Helix DSP, and following posts in regards to rear fill when I found this site. I do inderstand the need to attenuate and delay just no experience with proper rear fill.
As to the gettogether sounds great, just wouldn't want to crash the party being new to this site.
As long as you're a good laid back person that's willing to learn I'm sure everyone will greet you with open arms. New people show up to meets all the time and become staples at these things over time. Good people, good food, crazy stories, good tunes, and lots of jokes. And all of us in attendance are open books if you have a question we can answer.
Sounds good I will definetly try to be there, I have plenty of questions.
how you know he is from Hayden ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hillbilly SQ
DaddyMack,
Rear fill helps with spaciousness when it is processed and attenuated. A two-way would be easier to implement.