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Re: 2016 Porsche Macan S - stealth SQ build
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Whiterabbit
Bends introduce lots of risk.
Another option is to use a flat piece of metal, straight. span the whole gap. Then drill the edge of the plate and use machine screws. If you want to use plastic, use threaded inserts as a pseudo helicoil. Buttonhead screws.With c-channel to hold the bottom of the rack. You can use C-channel to hold at the top of the rack too, depends on you, equipment clearances, etc. Channel would be hard soldered to the cross bar then the attachment screws come in through the side rather than the edge.
I wanted to run one piece to span the gap as you suggested. However, the bolt points are offset from each other by 2". Also, one is lower than the other.
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This makes it difficult to keep it simple.
I plan on using U channel aluminum extrusion to hold the bottom of the rack. Perhaps bond it to the floor with JB Weld? I think the gas tank is directly below this so don't feel comfortable with securing it with screws:
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I will look into using U channel to hold the top and/or sides of the rack too.
I haven't used a welder in 30 years. But, that might be on my list here. I may need to fabricate stronger brackets to hold the rack.
Ge0
Re: 2016 Porsche Macan S - stealth SQ build
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Whiterabbit
I actually don’t agree with that. I think it looks cleaner to bundle the wire direct off the gear and make a harness like the OEM. Porsche wouldn’t have put the holes in.
it's just a matter of difference of taste.
Personally, I wouldn't want that unless I were forced to have factory wiring on display within eyeshot of my wiring... but I'd avoid that. There's no automaker (Rolls Royce included) who takes aesthetics into consideration with their wiring, connectors, etc. It's just bench bundled stuff that's installed on an assembly line. There's no mystique there.
I'm personally a fan of days gone by, when SQ (and security) competitions included judging of the aesthetics... where you'd gaze into the fractal-like depths of detail lovingly placed on display behind glass.
And even though this isn't a show car, I subscribe to show philosophy as well - you don't open the hood or trunk is a show car and see brake lines, hoses, wire bundles. Lots of things are creatively hidden, everything that isn't is prepared for display.
Don't get me wrong - you go to car shows and you also see painstakingly "restored" classic cars as well, with all the factory ugliness on display - in that case all the "wow factor" comes simply from the "I can't believe something so antique can look so new and clean"...
It's just not my style.
I'm a fan of making things look good. My aesthetic - not some factory beancounter's. :wink:
I'm thinking this is looking good.
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Re: 2016 Porsche Macan S - stealth SQ build
I didn't mean to spawn a debate over wiring stylistics. Hell, I haven't even started wiring it yet. The fact of the matter is I need to be able to unscrew the amp rack and lift the amp out if I need to service it or change settings. I'm going to need a excess length of wire pigtail anyway so I can do this. I take great pride in my work and will do to the best of my ability. However, I'm not going for show car aesthetics. You won't see anything anyway with the access hatch in place.
I just want to make sure everything is safe and secure. Make sure that wire bundles are tidy and not in risk of being cut by sharp surfaces.
Ge0
Re: 2016 Porsche Macan S - stealth SQ build
I didn't mean to start a debate -
I'm just saying, different strokes for different folks.
Seems like those IASCA security comps were a flash in the pan anyway - did they even last 5 years?
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Re: 2016 Porsche Macan S - stealth SQ build
I only remember one IASCA event in my region even during its peak. Folks came from Toronto, Chicago, Cleveland, Indianapolis, etc. It was pretty cool. But, by far folks in my area favored dB drag racing. Chevy minivans or Honda Civics crammed with as many subs that would fit were all the rage. I appreciate the art in SPL but its not my cup of tea.
Now there has been nothing for over 10 years. Dead. Kids have their spotify, phone, and airpods.
Ge0
Re: 2016 Porsche Macan S - stealth SQ build
Amen. Preach on.
I used to go to Toronto car shows that were coupled with sounds offs... And usually it was all SPL stuff. If there were both, you'd hardly know it, because they'd funnel the SQ guys out of the loud main halls of the convention Center...
It would have probably inspired a lot more people, if they didn't have all the SPL guys on display, while basically hiding all the SQ guys (although you also have the nut to crack where the SQ guys would leave their often boring, stock-exterior cars be very much locked up and off display by choice).
Oh well, that's what magazines are for...
..what's that? All the car stereo magazines are out of business you say?
Well I guess that explains all the interest in those air pods.
Coming from the "There's Something About Mary" generation, I know I wouldn't walk around with what looks like white drips coming from my ears...
"Is that hair gel?" [emoji38]
/sad reminiscent rant
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Re: 2016 Porsche Macan S - stealth SQ build
No, but I meant to start a debate! That's how the cars get their best :) TO ME, if I see something arbitrary, it detracts from aesthetics, not adds. There are endless examples in performance autoparts, including stereo.
My perspective is different. I think that every cut, every angle, every trim, every hole, and every feature should have a reason for being there. Can't just be for "simple" aesthetics, Aesthetics are only a justification from an integration perspective. All those cars from the 90's? I mean the TRULY good ones? Nothing was arbitrary. (That's my out. if you have a counter example, I'll just say it wasn't "truly" good :))
If we think about all these panels as a machining kind of question, then it makes more sense. The burden of aesthetic performance goes way up when changing from MDF to Ply, or Ply to ABS, or ABS to Aluminum, or God forbid Al to Steel.
If the cables NEED to be on the backside of then panel, then it makes more sense. For example, is that where the QD's are going? Like a cavity between the wheel well and mount plate, and that's where there's a 2 foot pig tail coiled with with QD's so you can easily disconnect and pull the rack (by lifting straight out of permanent-mount c-channel, that would be cool!), that makes sense. Complete with thin MLV upholstered in that cavity to prevent the pigtail from rattling (vinyl is tougher than raw CCF).
But if the integrating harness is in the front of the rack, then bringing the cables back makes no sense. Should just bundle, add strain relief, and QD's are near the battery.
That kind of thing.
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I miss IASCA competition. I got laid to waste for sound because competition here is real tough. Barely top 5. But caught up for install. My best scope was a 257 out of 258 possible, that included a full 60 bonus points for extra little clever details in the pro class. I made it REAL hard for judges to ding me on anything. :) That helped alot to stay on the podium.
I got much much less competitive when install wasn't a part of scoring anymore.
Re: 2016 Porsche Macan S - stealth SQ build
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Originally Posted by
geolemon
Amen. Preach on.
I used to go to Toronto car shows that were coupled with sounds offs... And usually it was all SPL stuff. If there were both, you'd hardly know it, because they'd funnel the SQ guys out of the loud main halls of the convention Center...
It would have probably inspired a lot more people, if they didn't have all the SPL guys on display, while basically hiding all the SQ guys (although you also have the nut to crack where the SQ guys would leave their often boring, stock-exterior cars be very much locked up and off display by choice).
Oh well, that's what magazines are for...
..what's that? All the car stereo magazines are out of business you say?
Well I guess that explains all the interest in those air pods.
Coming from the "There's Something About Mary" generation, I know I wouldn't walk around with what looks like white drips coming from my ears...
"Is that hair gel?" [emoji38]
/sad reminiscent rant
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You're gross )
Ge0
Re: 2016 Porsche Macan S - stealth SQ build
I get what you are saying for sure.
And I'm reeling a bit - no install consideration at all?
That's insanity.
Bear in mind, I'm the son of a college math professor and professional musician. If there isn't both an art and engineering aspect to any hobby, I'm not interested - and I fully blame my parents for making me neither a left or right brained person. Damn them. [emoji38]
So I'm not saying doing anything for the purpose of just aesthetics - I just think of things from a show car perspective.
Think of mini trucks - anyone remember them? Man all these dead hobbies are depressing... [emoji38]
Most outsiders looked at them as stupid, over the top, and definitely had some paint schemes that were nothing but aesthetics - but that's the only purpose for paint, so I think that falls into the category of "serving it's purpose"...
My real point is, anyone who looked closer at those crazy trucks- there's a ludicrous amount of engineering to achieve their goals - and one huge goal was to be unique and creative. To contribute to the scene overall, rather than to bite everything your buddies already did.
So I just mean dressing up something that needs to be there for necessity anyway - there's always creative options. (1994 example)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...cedd66d94a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...197209e6da.jpg
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Re: 2016 Porsche Macan S - stealth SQ build
And sorry - back to the build thread. I hate polluting threads, and I've done that plenty.