Joe Biden ?

ca90ss said:
If it’s established and documented then why hasn’t he won a case?
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Do I really have to spell it out. There are activist/Trump hating judges in the contested states that will deny Trump's team in every case. The only way Trump could prevail is by taking those cases to the US Supreme Court.
 
Pb82 Ronin said:
...The fact that nobody is surprised by the widespread cheating, and the President having to spend millions more dollars just to prove they cheated is a shitty testament to our election system integrity. Sad times we live in right now as Americans.
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Millions spent and still no proof. We still live in a country where the accused are innocent until proven guilty. So far, Trump has offered no proof. We agree on the sad part though.
 
rob feature said:
I would not be having this discussion if I didn't care. Where's the proof?
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Its only been 2.5 weeks now and the trump campaign had a press conference to show the American people and the very biased news that proof. I’m guessing the media is trying to hide it like anything else they don’t agree with.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/rudy-giuliani-voter-fraud-evidence-liar/2020/11/19/id/997924/

This is pretty shocking and revealing evidence and should have been reported by the media. If this doesn’t get your attention then, well, nothing will. These things normally take much more time to put together than 2.5 weeks.
 
This is for Rob.
The proof doesn't get presented to you, me, or the media, it gets presented to the court, and the case/trial hasn't started yet.
 
One side tends to reflexively jump to the conclusion that there is no "Proof" of this or that, while ignoring and rejecting evidence that might be suggestive of this or that.

The other side often reflexively jumps to the conclusion that there is clearly "proof" of this or that, while ignoring or rejecting evidence that might suggest otherwise.

From my perspective, there's a whole lot more of the former going on than the latter.

Either way, evidence is one thing and proof is another.
 
The problem here is even when presented with overwhelming evidence of fraud and rampant cheating, whistle blowers coming forward, eyewitness testimony, etc...the left just discredits and denies it. This means that for the right side (conservative/libertarian) it's useless to even engage in a discussion or debate with a liberal. You can show them all the evidence in the world, they will just continue to not believe it.

If this goes passed the EC, Trump wins in every scenario.
 
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