Holy shit! LA has there own TN/GZ case now!

Well I'm actually "on the fence" about this one...
:D

But seriously, a hoodlum standing in your driveway does not warrant a pull of the trigger. There are steps one must take first. Especially in a case where there is no immediate threat to your life.

I have no doubt the kid was up to no good. But a billet to the head was unjustified. Now this guy (who's intention we're not evil) is going to go down for attempted 2nd degree (if the kid doesn't die) and his child, wife, and baby are going to suffer for his stupidity.


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Wait didn't the kid climb a fence to gain access to the guy's property? Newsflash, if you don't enter property that's fenced, chances are pretty good no harm will come to you. Does that warrant getting shot? I'm not saying it does, but a fence says keep your ass out.
 
saw this on the news, was wondering if it would make national headlines


hypothetical:

somebody late at night, is smashing the window in your house, and standing outside the broken, open window to your 9 year old daughter's bedroom. You're outside on your driveway watching with a loaded shotgun. Would you shoot?

somebody is sitting in your car, in your driveway, apparently ripping out the dash and your 1500 dollar head unit and iPod. You run from the front door of your home with a pistol cocked, what do you do? Drag the robber out and pistol whip him? Shoot him in the face? Tell him "freeze mo'fucka" while holding the gun on him and dialing the police?

I'm guessing we're about to get hit with a lot of "don't shoot that innocent boy because he got caught doing something stupid! Let him run off, and you can file a report with your local authorities instead"
 
1st scenario:
I view home entry, especially where the intruder is headed directly towards a loved one as justification for disabling the intruder by any means necessary.

Second scenario:
Is loss off material property ever justifiable cause for the taking of a life? Also consider that a responsible person should have valuable possessions insured.


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1) he's just standing there, with a crowbar in his hand. He's not attempting to enter the dwelling. You yell for him to leave, and he doesn't. He doesn't move, or speak.

2) he jumps out of the car while you're holding the gun on him, but the car door swings toward you and shields him for a split second, and you see him moving behind the door looking like he's pulling something out of his pants. At best, he's going to run away with your stereo. At worst, he has pulled a weapon while concealed and is about to end your life.


what do you do?
 
yes, window is broken. The window is fully open, and is a low bay window that the man can simply step into the room, if he chooses.
 
Now both cases have become in instance where there is danger to life. I am prepared to pull the trigger in each case.


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prepared, does not equal a resolution.

do you run inside and get the phone?

do you wait for someone else to get involved?

You know the castle laws, they are in your yard, not in your house.

you can feel like your child is in danger, but is it immediate danger, is it danger of grave bodily harm?

the guy in the car is screaming don't shoot, while he moves around behind the door, where you can't see what he's doing. Then he pops up and prepares to either lunge at you or jump away, something is in his hand, it's black and you don't really know what it is, it's dark.

blam, you fire your weapon, you have three things on your side.

first, he didn't freeze when told.

second, he made a sudden move.

in his hand is a small cordless drill.

he's shot through the neck, breathing heavily through blood, dying in your driveway.


do you:

shoot him again

help him from bleeding out, and call paramedics/911

watch him wriggle on the ground thinking, "uh huh, that's what you get for stealing from me" then go to your garage fridge for a beer.
 
The case with the guy at my daughters bedroom window is pretty cut and dry. The intent to me is clear enough.

The one with the guy in the car is harder. For two reasons: the law won't always be on your side and you concocted a case with a lot of gray areas and I value life the willingness to take someone's life should always be a last resort, but not at the risk of losing your own.

But in either case a tazer would be a sufficient tool to properly diffuse the situation and detain the intruder until the authorities arrive. Now I'm sure you can add some variable that would render the tazer useless as well. So tell me, what would you do? And how do these scenarios compare with some punk that simply jumped your fence?

When I was a kid we played neighborhood wide hide seek games and jumping fences, running through yards was part of the fun. Kids do dumb shit.


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Scenario, Chicago is closing down the projects, the hoodrats are moving downstate to gain cheap housing and a new place. So Danville, IL, Blue collar total white trash town AND... now... hoodrats.

2 hoodrats shooting at each other in some dude's back yard... 2 dead hoodrats. We got hoodrats breaking into houses and dying on a regular basis. Death warrant here is breaking into some dude's house armed, it's bad, in Chicago you may get by with that having a scared dem cowering. but not here.... what we feel after shooting an intruder in the head is... our ears ringing.
 
Someone breaks into my house? The last thing they hear will be ye ol scatter blaster!

But standing in the driveway?!


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