If Maxmil982, regarding the drivers, I’ll start with my home speakers and then use that to discuss the driver selection. My home theater speakers are JTR 212HTR (sealed version, should have gone with ported) and they have 2 12” MIDRANGE drivers to try to keep up with the sheer efficiency of the horn-loaded compression driver. The 12” midrange drivers only play down to about 80 Hz (70 if ported) so they are definitely not home midbass speakers. Now my speakers, since they are so efficient can play extremely loudly. I often tell people with most speakers if you turn them up too much, they’ll start to become unhappy (distortion), with my speakers you’ll become unhappy before they will.
So using that as the basis for the car audio discussion, you’ll want to focus on higher efficiency drivers and skew your crossover points to the upper end. So maybe the tweeter will be crossed at 4 or even 5,000 Hz. But if you’re looking at a 2-way, this isn’t going to work well for even the best 8-inch drivers so you’ll need to go with a larger format tweeter (1.5”-2” tweeter) so you can cross them closer to 2,500 or 3,000 Hz. You’ll want to choose a tweeter with an Fs closer to or even below 1,000 Hz.
For the midbass you’ll want to play it as high as you have to to integrate with the tweet but preferably bring the tweet down to 2,500Hz or so because the beaming (directionality) of an 8” starts at 2,000Hz. So you might say then maybe you should cross the tweeter at 2,000 Hz so you don’t get any beaming but then you’ll put more strain on the tweeter, which means more distortion. So with a high volume system, you want to stay away from the limits which means crossing the tweeter, crossing the 8” a little higher than maybe they’re capable of. So the midbass you might want to cross at 90 or 100 Hz instead of 80 because 80 will take more effort to play and interfere with getting loud. Then you’d just bring the subwoofer up to 90/100/110 to integrate smoothly with the midbass.
I think the biggest problem people have in car audio is they want to play super loud and make each driver play super low. You can usually have one or the other. A high efficiency driver won’t play as low as a normal efficiency driver. If you just figure out what your goals are, which it seems you have, just choose the drivers that will fit that design goal. I think the MB8 will probably work well for you but you’ll want to go with a larger, high-efficiency tweeter to ensure the 2-way will work well and play loud.
The only other comment I have is that a single 12” sub of moderate excursion may or may not handle the volume you’re trying to run. You may want to consider a higher-efficiency ported design (won’t play as deep as sealed but will be louder), adding a second sub, or going with a higher excursion design with closer to 30mm of excursion.
Sounds like the makings of a very good system. I think you’ll learn a lot.
Many thanks man! You've been a great help.
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As it pertains to the MB8, I've taken what you said and am considering getting the 2ohm which does have 2.83v SPL of 101.67 db, but I talked to Eric Steven's and he said that that output is when feeding it 450rms and that at half the watts the output will be ~3db lower.
Which works out because the amp I have for it does 225w @2ohm. "Works out", meaning I'm thinking of addressing what you said about the single SA12 possibly not being loud enough for the full output of the MB8, by feeding the 8" half the rated juice and porting the SA12 in a custom box around 1.5 cubes to help it play louder.
I hope this is all correct, and then the system will have some expandability to double the juice on the 8"s and add a 2nd sub in the future.
Please lmk if you see this as a viable solution.
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For what you said about needing tweets that can play low to meet the mids and have higher sensitivity, what would be your pick out of these...or none?
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...covery-r2604/8330-tweeter-dual-ring-radiator/
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...2606/9200-horn-loaded-1-textile-dome-tweeter/
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...sb29rdcn-c000-4-neo-magnet-ring-dome-tweeter/

Still have it...