F150 3 way front

[chithead]

That definitely is a listener preference there. I've had success with rear speakers, HillBillySQ has had success with rear speakers, and Erin has offered the best advice I've ever read on how to tune rear speakers. Most people will not run them, as it's just another level of tuning that can already complicate everything else going on. The simplest setup I've ever used with rear speakers though, was a comps set up front, coax in rear, and delayed the rear speakers a LOT. It was quite magical, VERY enjoyable for daily listening. In an SQ comp though, I'm sure they would have ripped that thing apart with criticism.

[DaddyMack]

I do understand that rear fill is a preference. I guess my concern can a DSP process the rear fill enough to allow a speaker that is basically below the listeners ear to serve as rear fill.

[chithead]

Oh absolutely. Some DSP can actually process the L-R that you really need to make it super successful, and some have the lengthy delay needed to make it even better. Long as you can attenuate the volume down enough and delay it quite a bit, you can still make rear fill pretty successful.

[DaddyMack]

Thanks, that is what I am looking for, was concerned due to my proximity with the rears.

[Hillbilly SQ]

You'd have to pull the level of the rears down A LOT and set them up where the mono information is cancelled out only leaving left and right cues (L-R) whether it be in the processing or in the wiring. And pulling the level of the left speaker down quite a bit would make sense. And delay them 20+ milliseconds. I like the effect l-r rearfill gives you but I run it to give the fronts a better sense of space. Yes it will cause staging issues. I have my rears just barely loud enough to give a slight sense of space. And it's eq'd flat too. The effect it has depends on the song. I think it's worth it if you're just wanting to add a little extra spice to your tune.

I see you're from Hayden, AL. You should come to Al's gettogether in November.

[DaddyMack]

I was looking into the Helix DSP, and following posts in regards to rear fill when I found this site. I do inderstand the need to attenuate and delay just no experience with proper rear fill.

As to the gettogether sounds great, just wouldn't want to crash the party being new to this site.

[Hillbilly SQ]

As long as you're a good laid back person that's willing to learn I'm sure everyone will greet you with open arms. New people show up to meets all the time and become staples at these things over time. Good people, good food, crazy stories, good tunes, and lots of jokes. And all of us in attendance are open books if you have a question we can answer.

[DaddyMack]

Sounds good I will definetly try to be there, I have plenty of questions.

[klimbo]

You'd have to pull the level of the rears down A LOT and set them up where the mono information is cancelled out only leaving left and right cues (L-R) whether it be in the processing or in the wiring. And pulling the level of the left speaker down quite a bit would make sense. And delay them 20+ milliseconds. I like the effect l-r rearfill gives you but I run it to give the fronts a better sense of space. Yes it will cause staging issues. I have my rears just barely loud enough to give a slight sense of space. And it's eq'd flat too. The effect it has depends on the song. I think it's worth it if you're just wanting to add a little extra spice to your tune.

I see you're from Hayden, AL. You should come to Al's gettogether in November.

how you know he is from Hayden ?

[Hic]

DaddyMack,
Rear fill helps with spaciousness when it is processed and attenuated. A two-way would be easier to implement.