Joe Biden ?

[Holmz]

Geocentric universe theory was once considered fact...97% of scientists agreed

I am pretty sure that dark ages were pre science... FCS even the Greeks knew that the Earth was round, and they knew the diameter.

[Holmz]

Question: Do you believe abortion is killing a baby? Just asking because some people do and some people don't.

I don't know the junior colleges in So Va... only the NoVa ones... (they likely have science courses in Va Beach...)
In any case the term for an undeveloped an unbirthed child is a foetus.
It is the English word for something between conception and birth.

The last time l looked down when taking leak (10 minutes ago)... I was not qualified to opine on women's reproductive rights and choices.

In any case your implicit insinuation seems to be not "just asking"... but trying to set up a way to discredit the the other party.
... Do you even believe women are people too?

[jettyman]

I don't know the junior colleges in So Va... only the NoVa ones... (they likely have science courses in Va Beach...)
In any case the term for an undeveloped an unbirthed child is a foetus.
It is the English word for something between conception and birth.

The last time l looked down when taking leak (10 minutes ago)... I was not qualified to opine on women's reproductive rights and choices.

In any case your implicit insinuation seems to be not "just asking"... but trying to set up a way to discredit the the other party.
... Do you even believe women are people too?

Brilliant answer Holmz. That's the best way I've heard anyone explain their ideology

[SublimeZ]

The last time l looked down when taking leak (10 minutes ago)... I was not qualified to opine on women's reproductive rights and choices.

By this logic, you are quite limited on what you are qualified to have thoughts on.

[Holmz]

By this logic, you are quite limited on what you are qualified to have thoughts on.

Correct.
Having a basis for authority and qualification, gives people more of a basis for expressing their thoughts... otherwise it is just barstool quarterbacking.

Why would someone take a side in an argument that they do not understand beyond a kindergarten level?

If they actually start quoting some factual papers on the matter, then that shows some effort to understand it.

The main thing I have presented so far, is that we use dictionaries to find correct words.

[SublimeZ]

Correct.
Having a basis for authority and qualification, gives people more of a basis for expressing their thoughts... otherwise it is just barstool quarterbacking.

which is exactly what this whole thread is...

[Holmz]

which is exactly what this whole thread is...

^Correct.^

Except in this case we can look back with hindsight at the 2016 DNC decision of Wasserman-Shultz and Podesta, and the earlier McCain decision to select Palin... we do not know the "what ifs"... but that is total speculation and quarterbacking.

The other difference is that we all have a stake in the outcome of an election irregardless of party... whereas branching off into abortion is an emotional quagmire that doesn't generally does not have health implications for men.

[jettyman]

^Correct.^

Except in this case we can look back with hindsight at the 2016 DNC decision of Wasserman-Shultz and Podesta, and the earlier McCain decision to select Palin... we do not know the "what ifs"... but that is total speculation and quarterbacking.

The other difference is that we all have a stake in the outcome of an election irregardless of party... whereas branching off into abortion is an emotional quagmire that doesn't generally does not have health implications for men.

Your logic is WAY off. The great majority of abortions are for personal reasons, not health necessities. To say male lawmakers should have no authority on the killing of a unborn child, yes human baby is ludicrous and wacky

[Holmz]

Your logic is WAY off. The great majority of abortions are for personal reasons, not health necessities. To say male lawmakers should have no authority on the killing of a unborn child, yes human baby is ludicrous and wacky

Well the logic as I see it is that it is inconsistent.
If someone is pro capital punishment, pro Suleimani's death, and pro abortion,.. then there is some consistency.
And if they we against all the above then there is also some consistency.

In any case it is an emotional quagmire.

If one cannot present both sides of the argument, then they probably do not understand it well enough.
Can you provide any rational for the case for it?
Did the Supreme Court, in Roe v Wade, provide any rational for their decision? (They often have some words on both sides of the argument when there is dissenting opinion)

We we have constitutional amendments and Supreme Court decisions to provide among other things, some long term stability.
We do not get a second amendment, and then willy nilly have states like Va deciding to banning guns based upon a knee jerk reaction of the government de jur. Or at least we should not have that.
We have laws made and we move on.

Having one party want to amend the constitution, and the other party also wanting to amend the constitution... sort of makes either choice something other than moderate.

identity politics is a lonely affair for moderates...

[jettyman]

Well the logic as I see it is that it is inconsistent.
If someone is pro capital punishment, pro Suleimani's death, and pro abortion,.. then there is some consistency.
And if they we against all the above then there is also some consistency.

In any case it is an emotional quagmire.

If one cannot present both sides of the argument, then they probably do not understand it well enough.
Can you provide any rational for the case for it?
Did the Supreme Court, in Roe v Wade, provide any rational for their decision? (They often have some words on both sides of the argument when there is dissenting opinion)

We we have constitutional amendments and Supreme Court decisions to provide among other things, some long term stability.
We do not get a second amendment, and then willy nilly have states like Va deciding to banning guns based upon a knee jerk reaction of the government de jur. Or at least we should not have that.
We have laws made and we move on.

Do you realize roe v wade was decided by a all male, republican majority supreme court? Even Justice Kavanaugh who the dems hate has said it is settled law and he has no desire to hear that case.