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2016 Ram Tradesman/Express build log
So, I bought this Ram today. 2016 Tradesman/Express with 20000 miles on it and it was obviously someone's baby. VERY clean inside and out. Price was insanely good and got what I thought was fair price for my trade. Rides and drives like a dream for what it is even on nearly worn out Bad Year SR-A tires (yeah they're turds and 25-30k is all you're gonna get out of them most of the time). The plan is to do a 3-way front stage and a downfired sub behind the passenger seat. No I don't want to do a console box. My skills and patience aren't what they need to be to make them look professional so the bitch seat is staying put. My work is best left hidden. ANYWAY, the plans are...
DASH MAT!!!!!!!!!
Pioneer AVH-501ex in dash
CMOS license plate frame camera from Ebay
Minidsp cdsp 8x12-ALREADY OWN
JL RD900/5 on sub and midbass
Zapco ST-4X SQ on midrange and tweets-ALREADY OWN
Dayton nd16 tweeters in dash corners
Audiofrog gb25's in stock dash locations
Audiofrog GS690's in doors-ALREADY OWN
Audiofrog G12 in downfiring box behind passenger seat-ALREADY OWN
Amps and d-blocks under passenger seat and processor under middle seat
Stay tuned for updates. I have equipment rolling in and once this tropical storm gets out of Arkansas I'll start installing. I know the Ram inside and out after owning two quadcabs (09 and 11) so should go fairly easy.
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Nice truck. Looking forward to seeing and hearing it in person in a few months.
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It's getting new tires tomorrow because traction was nonexistent in the rain today when hitting the brakes. The previous owner did me a favor by wearing them out because the factory tires are turds when brand new. Both of the Rams I bought new had the SR-A tires and they were done at 25k. These have 20k on them now and not worth the risk on wet roads.
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Congrats on the new ride.
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Congrats, really like that shade of blue.
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Now you just need some Belltech 2/4 drop springs on there. And I just happen to have a set that needs a good home... :eyebrows:
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Really don't want to lower it. I need ground clearance every now and then;)
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Nice truck Chris! :thumbup:
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Congrats on the new ride.
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Making progress slowly but surely. Trying not to rush things because that never works out well. So, the gs690's just had WAY too much junk in the trunk and no way they were going to fit. Since I've had great luck with them in the past I'm going to be buying another pair of 8 ohm Scanspeak Discovery 7's and bridge the JL RD900/5 to them. Reason for the 8 ohm version is it has a lower fs and higher qts. Also models better in the lower midbass IB. I'm still going to give the Dayton nd16's a try that Ian was nice enough to send me for free but am also going to order a pair of the Scanspeak xt19 car tweeters with the mounting cups just because I need mounting cups to go in dash corners and have been wanting to try those tweeters for a while. The tweeters I like best will be what gets used. Here's what caused the gs690's not to fit. They're just shy of 3" deep with a WIDE magnet. And there's no cutting this piece because the window track appears to bolt to it. I don't remember the x9 holes being like this in my 09 or 11 quadcab.
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I had to do some measuring to see if the Discovery woofers would fit. I measured up to the highest I could get in the oval opening and still be able to fit the Discovery. Then put a piece of tape across and measured down to that party pooper in the lower part of the opening. They'll fit with a little room to spare.https://i.imgur.com/P7NL7Bl.jpg
Also did some deadening on the panel and carrier plate. Due to the nature of the carrier plate I'm going to put my mlv on the panel itself and hope I benefit from it. If anything it will make the panel heavy as all hell and make sure it doesn't buzz. The carrier plate also has issues with buzzing but in my last Ram I glued indoor/outdoor carpet (because I had it laying around) to the panel and it was a good enough blocker to hide any buzzing deadening didn't fix on the carrier plate.https://i.imgur.com/4DIoG4P.jpg
Looking at where I want to run the usb cable to the headunit I found the usb port in the console. This just looks like an accident waiting to happen for me. That's why I'm going to mount it along with the bluetooth mic in a handy cubby hole that I normally wouldn't use for anything else. And less chance of having usb connection issues in the future.
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And just for grins I took measurements of the factory system with eq on flat. Black-ish is both fronts together. Red is right front only. Blue is left front only, and green is both rears together. To be honest, I'm impressed with the factory response and with reference material it sounds pretty good tonally with a high stage. Imaging sucks but that's to be expected. If this truck was just a tow rig and not my daily driver I'd leave the factory system alone:o
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Yesterday I made the midrange enclosures. I traced the factory dash speakers and made the adapter rings out of 1/8" cutting board. It's pretty stiff so will also use it for the adapter rings for the Discovery 7's. I used 2" pvc endcaps for the midrange enclosures and used Gorilla glue to join the ring and endcap together. The ears on the gb25's hang over enough where I can mount them without having to drill into the endcap. I'll put a dollop of open cell foam in the cup to help keep the back wave in check and the 18g speaker wire will come out of the smallest hole possible in the back. I'll basically have an IB enclosure with enough attenuation to keep the back wave from interfering.
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This morning I ran the wires for the most part. Used 4-way flat trailer wire to go to the midrange and tweeter in dash. I spliced 18g in to run up to each mid and tweeter. Tapped in behind the headunit for midbass in doors. Yes I know I should have run wires through the door boots but my research says the factory 18g will be just fine with the power the midbass with be seeing real world. The power wire was run just inside the cab as far to the drivers side as possible. The rest was run as close to the transmission hump as possible. Front seat bolts came out just fine. The ones in back had Loctite on them and I couldn't find my cheater bar...the LONG piece of pipe that doesn't give most bolts a choice. Instead I used just the 1/2" ratchet and grunted them out of there little by little. After doing this the passenger seat WILL NOT come out unless it absolutely has to! Also installed the headunit. Had to cut a support arm out from behind the dash that isn't structural but supports the factory headunits that have a cd player in them. Mine doesn't so it was useless in my truck, lol. What did I learn while doing this? DO NOT TRY TO USE A SAWZALL! It ALMOST ended bad for the bundle of wires going to the big plug back there. Hacksaw blade was roached so ended up using the tin snips. Got it cut out of there eventually. Drew blood and did a hillbilly bandaid while never missing a lick. Humidity was terrible and bet I lost half a gallon of sweat. https://i.imgur.com/IprVGXf.jpg
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Next phase will be MLV in the doors and speakers installed. Then the box/amp rack build will start. Still not 100% decided on how I want to do the box and rack. Sub will be downfired and everything else will be protected where I can pile stuff on top and not worry about it. In the morning a buddy of mine is going to help me secure the ground wire. I'll have to lay under the truck with a wrench while he tightens the bolt from up top. Will also run the cable for the reverse can to the back while it's up on ramps. I'm not installed the full frame plate cam until my new plate gets here because I remember it being somewhat of a pain putting the camera on the back bumper of my previous Ram. It's a little tight under there from what I remember and I'm built like an English Bulldog.
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You’re flyin’ bro! Keep on rockin and rollin, it looks great!
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I hope the quality of the sound is better than the quality of your pictures! lol Just messing with you bud. Great progress! keep the (terrible) pictures coming!
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My phone is a ZTE Compel. What do you expect out of a $50 non-so-smart phone? lol.
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Well I got some stuff done after several days of what seemed like constant rain. Changing of the seasons here in Arkansas I guess. I rerouted the wires going to the back through the factory slits under the drivers seat where existing bundles were coming through. I'll wrap split loom around my bundles of wire once I figure out exactly where everything is going. To give me a good surface to work with I cut a piece of mdf to go in place of the package tray and used a couple self-tapping screws to secure it. This way I'll have something I can run screws into and not worry about exactly what I'm running them into. I know the spots where I had to cut around for the screws go into without snagging the carpet causing a bigger mess looks bad but that will all be covered up. In other words, I might know it's there but as long as I can't see it once the job is finished who gives a damn?
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I really wanted to use the Audiofrog g12 in this install but the box was just going to take up too much room back there. Just because I have the room at my disposal doesn't mean I want to use it all for car audio. The g12 is somewhat of an air pig by todays standards with winisd saying it needs 1.8 for a .7 qtc. It worked great in the Jeep in 1.4 stuffed with 20oz of fill so that's what I had mostly built for this truck but hadn't quite finished yet. I kept arranging amps, blocks, and processor around differently and decided to pull out "old faithful". The ID8v3 always gets me out of a jam when space is a concern and it gets the job done with 15mm xmax. Box is a hair over .4 (before displacements) and should do just fine for the time being. I'll run a 12" in there eventually but it won't be the Frog. It will either be a SI BMv or an IDQ12v3 (might have a trade deal with the IDQ). Both work good in a cube or less from what I can tell.
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I'm also trying to get carid.com to exchange a dash mat that Dash Topper kinda dropped the ball on. I don't like this material at all anyway. I liked the velour one the Jeep had MUCH better. If they deny my exchange request I'll just cut the damn thing to expose the dash speakers for the time being.
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With most of my install plans getting changed during the build here's what this mutt of a system has turned out to be. Also wired up a factory door speaker and powered up the processor and JL amp. No whine, pops, or anything else you don't want to hear in a system. Hopefully that's the case once everything is hooked up and buttoned up for the long haul. Also broke my video cable going to the reverse cam (not installed yet) while rerouting wires. Considering how easy it snapped I don't think I want it under the truck anyway so have something that seems to be heavier duty on the way.
Pioneer avh-501x
Minidsp 8x12
JL RD900/5
Zapco ST-4X SQ
Scanspeak Discovery 3/4" (xt19) car tweeters
Audiofrog gb25
Scanspeak Discover 7" woofers
Image Dynamics ID8v3
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IDQ12... :)
Great work my friend! Great idea replacing the tray with that board too. Will definitely make mounting options a lot easier. And can always add some sort of tray later if you really need one.
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Had a pretty productive install day today. I love how it warms back up into the 90's when I'm off and ready to do outside stuff:rolleyes:I got the 4 dash speakers installed and the amp rack wired to the point the wires just need to be tidied up with split loom and cover made for it. Reused the rack from the Grand Cherokee. The pics will tell the story. Also use what's laying around to get the job done. For the record that Stihl weedeater line in one of the pics is incredibly tough when it comes to chainlink fences. The gb25 on that 1/8" adapter ring BARELY clears the grille but it clears enough so it won't buzz it. I attached the tweeters to the grille with a screw and ran the wire for them down through it. Borderline ghetto but it works. And I can swivel them too. I ran the wire for the tweeters down through one of the clip holes. Yeah the wire gets pinched but am confident the integrity of the wire isn't compromised.
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The rack out of the Jeep seems to be a decent fit. Had to peel the carpet back and cut 2" off the side to make it fit the way I wanted it to. Should have cut a couple more inches off but what's done is done. Haven't decided if this rack will be the one I end up sticking with. I need to make a top for it to cover everything up. It's open on the sides so not worried about ventilation. I know some of you are cringing over the rca cables but I used what was laying around (couple half meter and a couple 1 meter cables are my shortest ones) and refuse to spend money I don't have to if what I have on hand will work. Also made a speaker wire harness with quick disconnects to keep from having to hook all that stuff up to the amp itself with it in the truck. Yes I trust my crimps and gave them the tug test with zero failures out of who knows how many throughout this install. I have some big split loom to wrap around the main power and ground wires and the big bundle that has the speaker wires and rca cables. That will happen once I decide if this setup will be staying put.
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Also got the new reverse camera cable to replace the one I broke and USPS really messed up. I think the damaged end will work but if it doesn't I'll splice a new end on from an old rca cable. Not worth my time to deal with the post office over a cable that cost me $10 shipped to my door.
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What the what - did the mail person do a wicked burnout on top of it or what?
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What the what - did the mail person do a wicked burnout on top of it or what?
Looks like it got stuck in a high speed separator wheel. Saw millions of checks looking like this when I worked at a bank. Our machines sorted 26 checks per second, and when 1 jammed, you had 100 little accordions to hand sort...
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Got the Discovery 7's installed in the doors today to round out the 3-way frontstage. I forgot to get a pic of a speaker installed but you all know what a speaker looks like installed in a door and a Discovery 7" is your standard solid black raw driver from the front. I made adapter rings out of cutting board and sprayed them with black laquer spray paint I've had in the shop for several years. Finish didn't have to be perfect so I used it. I used butyl rubber rope between the adapter and door and standard gasket tape between the adapter and speaker. Also put memory foam weather stripping on the panel around the speaker opening. And made some extensions for the stock wire so I'd have plenty to work with for now and in the future. Yes I trust my crimps and those connectors have heat shrink sealed to the wire. I had to tighten the bolts holding on the carrier plates on the doors. I have a feeling the passenger side carrier plate has been removed before. Doors are pretty dead with an 80hz 24db cross point. I think some buzzing I'm hearing at VERY loud volumes is from the panels around the rear speakers that aren't even hooked up but that will be a witch hunt for another day IF I try to remedy the issue. At reference levels everything is fine. So how does the 3-way front sound with no l/r eq and just levels and time alignment done with the headunit along with a couple small eq cuts? Sounds pretty good for being so raw! Midrange and tweets are smooth as butter and midbass is tight and accurate. I'll probably settle with the current 80, 800, and 4000hz crossover points with 24db slopes. The RD900/5 has undefeatable LR 12db slopes so I just stacked a 12db LR cross point on top of that with the processor for a 24db slope. I was concerned about stacking crossovers but I think it will be fine. We'll see what happens when I throw the subwoofer into the mix. Also wanted the Zapco ST-4X SQ on the midrange and tweets. I have the front headunit channels on midrange and tweets in dash and rear channels on midbass in doors so I can have control over time alignment and levels with the headunit after the real tune is done with the processor. As of now I'm not going to waste time with L/R eq work until the correct dash mat comes in. Also have a 10" sub on the way that will be revealed when it's getting dropped into the box it's going in. Hint: most of you would never guess what's on the way but decided to give this sub another try since my listening tastes have changed a lot over the years;)
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OK, today was a rollercoaster of emotions. The reverse camera isn't working and the factory usb port isn't playing nice with the factory radio. Says "hub error". I found a permanent solution for the usb port issue and fabricated what I need to make me pretty much not need the reverse camera. I'll troubleshoot the camera if/when I get in the mood to this winter. I can get within a couple inches left or right of where I need to be by just eyeballing where the trolling motor is in relation to the top of the tailgate so just needed something to bump the trailer tongue when it gets where it needs to be to drop it down on the ball. This contraption will keep me from having to get out several times to see how much further I need to back up without putting a dent in the bumper. I'll put some neoprene where the mdf meets the bumper to cushion the blow. Also put my phone mic in a little storage hole that also holds my headunit remote. Hopefully the mic works there. I go weeks at a time without talking on the phone while driving so if it's not perfect for the person on the other end that's just tough. And built the sub box for the Dayton ho10d4. Next week I hope to finish the box, amp rack, and tie up most of the loose ends that I know will annoy me. Dash mat will be in by then too so the tuning can begin.
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So the mystery sub is the Dayton HO. Why didn’t you like it when you had it before?
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So the mystery sub is the Dayton HO. Why didn’t you like it when you had it before?
I was more of a ground pounder back then. These days as long as the sub fills in the bottom with a little left over without calling attention to itself that's all I care about.
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Heh heh, you said fills in the bottom.
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Here's what happened last week. A buddy of mine found a nearly brand new toolbox on offer-up for $150 that was semi-local. Manufacture date is June of 2017. The deal couldn't have gone any smoother. The guy didn't want to let it go with his truck when he sold it and decided to sell this one so he could get a black one next time. Also gave me both keys for it. I will be hauling my trout fishing stuff back there 8 months out of the year. And misc other stuff I hate cluttering up the cab with when it will do just fine in a locked box in the bed. I used 6 J-bolts to mount it. It ain't going anywhere.
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Today I sealed the sub box up, tapped in and wired binding posts, and carpeted the box and lid for the amp rack. I used 3m Super 77 spray adhesive. Fair warning...I'm way out of practice when it comes to carpeting. It's purely for function and don't intend to show it off at all. Coulda done a better job but perfect seams aren't on my priority list with this build. I better buckle down on tuning because a week from the time of this post I'll be on my way to Alabama for Al's yearly gathering. How it sounds is most important to me. That's what's so nice about single cab trucks. You can hide a lot of sins behind those seats. Also finally got the correct dash mat. Meant to get a picture but was in a hurry to get in the house for some govt work and forgot to take my phone back out when closing up the shop.
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Subwoofer is in and booming. Got a nice deep and clean tone to it. It's obvious why a lot of people don't like the sound of the Dayton Reference subs. I had one several years ago and hated it but my basshead days are pretty much over. For the money I don't think it can be beat for straight-up sq. And by ear it's fairly flat from 30-80hz in the cab of my truck. Falls on its face below 30 but I don't expect to get near subsonic bass in a single cab truck. No HUGE peak like I had to deal with in the Grand Cherokee. That was a vehicle specific problem though. It does help that the sealed f3 of the HO10d4 is around 41hz iirc. I have mine in roughly half a cube with polyfil. Also did some tuning yesterday. I think it's coming along OK but still needs a lot of work. Really needs some more experienced ears in there to pick it apart. The midbasses were a wrestling match. Some stuff wouldn't respond well to eq but would respond to an allpass filter.
PICS COMING SOON!
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Got the sub mounted a few days ago and finally got a pic of the Cover King velour mat. I carpeted the wrong 37.5" long piece of mdf so it won't be used on the rack. Since there's no guarantee this rack will stay I'm not going to carpet another piece for it. The master plan is to get a second rd900/5 and second Dayton 10". I've grown quite fond of the deep hard hitting tone it has. Then put the Zapco ST-4x sq in the closet for backup. There would be an rd900/5 for each side. Really is an impressive 5ch amp. Not sure if I'd be better off having a sub in each cab corner or have the pair together with flanges basically touching to make them function more as one unit. I prefer symmetrical installs but not married to the idea so if having the pair mounted basically touching each other would give better results I'll do that instead. I do have some install issues to address but overall I'm pretty happy with how the system as a whole sounds. It could be better but it could also be way worse too. Anyway, this install journey has pretty much come to an end until I decide for sure which way I want to go from here. I'm fully aware of the fact that I've just thrown some stuff together and it's not as cosmetically pleasing as it should be. Knowing good and will my first install in a vehicle never stays put I knew making things pretty would be a big waste of time. Once I decide what needs to change and what's working good for me the more permanent built will happen behind the seats. I do need to vent the pvc endcaps a little more because I am choking off the gb25's a little I think. That piece of mdf behind the seats for everything to sit on and be secured to was my best idea for this build I think. Gives the sub a nice place to properly load too.
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i think sharp dressed man is probably one of their best, especially the ending as it fades out.
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So, this is what happens when I try to dial in tonality by ear after listening to a jacked up response from a basically untuned system for a few weeks. I get used to said jackery and mess up royally. A well trained squirrel gets in and says "yours needs work!" 800-4000 give or take a little was described as a wave. Bass rolled off pretty bad. Maybe I was tired? Maybe I was clogged up? Who knows wtf I was hearing and/or thinking when this happened. Anyway, the green line is before and the burgundy line is after. I got it a little smoother after this but forgot to screenshot it. It does sound way fuller obviously. I had to break some tuning rules to get the bass up. Makes me wonder if the transfer function of a single cab truck just won't let the really low bass happen without a fight. Have no idea why my mic goes stupid when measuring a subwoofer tucked away in the depths of hell. Anyway, it's way flatter from 25-80 than it was. Next project will be to address an install issue with the gb25's resonating the factory grille when crossed below 800hz. Maybe if I can successfully cross them around 500ish my vocals will tighten up.
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Glad you didn't just write me off as being crazy. And glad the feedback was helpful in the end.
I gotta say, the low end response looks very, very odd. I'm used to seeing some peaks/dips but that looks like a textbook comb filter. Maybe I'm wrong... wouldn't be the 12th time.
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My mic has always measured like that on the low end. Guess I could at some point put the mic right up to the subwoofer and see what happens. If it's not raining I'll go outside and flip the sub over to upfire and see what happens.
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