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Babs' 08 Honda Civic Si Sedan
I've been reluctant over the years to do a log here for a couple reasons. One I didn't think the skills were up to anything special for showing off anything that's not been seen, and two install learning curve on many levels has made my install work extremely slooooooowwww. Like molasses slow. And lastly I feared I'd make a confabulated crazy thread full of misinformation and audio heresy while showing just how newb I am at real installation and tuning. Hehe :) ah WTH! Here goes.. The old girl has something like 90k miles on the odo and she still boogies but has some squeaks here and there and some typical things I want to do from a maintenance and looks perspective. The paint will have to be redone. The 8th Civic paint curse has bitten me.
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The car has already had iteration 2 or 3 maybe with still a two way system comprising of SB Acoustics drivers badged NVX and I've gone through various subs along the way with an SD-3 10" in an Audio Integrations box, then pulled it for a temporary 12TW1 in a first home-built sealed box for me.
Powered by 80PRS, PDX V9 and F4
Changes planned and in the works:
IB baby!!
Two IB12AU drivers on shelf now and building template now a bit unorthodox. Balsa wood. LOL! I have to make everything difficult. But ok. Here's as of tonight. Template done, time to cut some wood.
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3-Way:
The poor guys at the NCSQ meet have heard me whine for the last time about a 3-way. Scan-speak D3004's and 10F mids will be replacing my first fabrication project in the pillars with a bit more extensive first-time pillar job for me.
Existing:
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That little window will be getting mids and tweets glassed in a sealed enclosure pillar job for the 10F. Goal being as stealthy or inconspicuous as possible.
Gear list plan after this iteration:
80PRS main source
IDevice into HDMI converted to toslink for second source
Helix DSP (8 ch) with two-knob remote
PDX V9 for sub, mids, tweets
PDX F4 for midbass.
D3004 around 3100 hz up maybe
10F from 400 to 3100 hz
NVX (SB17) XSP65 midbass from 80 to 400 hz. Maybe a surprise or two there though on driver and installation.
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Babs' 08 Honda Civic Si Sedan
Slow progress. Roughed in with jigsaw. Time to break out a flush trim bit and make dust. Wish I had ply but don't. Got MDF so I'm using it.
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And now fun with power tools..
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looking good Scott.
keep up the good work.
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Babs' 08 Honda Civic Si Sedan
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One of those tools that makes you say where you been all my life!
Just messin around making circles. Perfect 11" hole anyone?
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Babs' 08 Honda Civic Si Sedan
Big shout out to our own Mark at Car Audio Fabrication for the instructional vids that have given me the courage to attempt this craziness.
And big shout out to Erin who blazed the trail with 8th Civic speaker install stuff he's done over the years, that has inspired the wild stuff I'm about to do to some spare pillars on the shelf.
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Awesome progress! Very nice following the contour of the pass through cutout.
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And bam!!
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Let's make some big holes!
Or maybe better start thinking mounting position before I commit
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Nah! Just go for it. lol
Looking forward to updates.
Jay
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Babs' 08 Honda Civic Si Sedan
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JayinMI
Nah! Just go for it. lol
Looking forward to updates.
Jay
I guess two 12's aughta be a breeze. Just make sure plenty of wood support distance between them. I'll probably want to do it in such a way should for some odd reason those 12's grow into 15's they're spaced accordingly so may use a typical IB15AU OD as a rule and just center the 12's on that. Hehehe. Planned obsolescence. :)
Having seen plenty of IB installs after the fact but not too many in-process, I'm pretty much winging this thing, second guessing myself.
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Now the choice is also, second layer in front or behind the drivers. Hmm
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Both? Recess the woofer into the front one, and you'll have 1.5" baffle thickness behind it. And LOTS of bolts. lol
Jay
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Infinite baffle FTW! Looks good so far sir.
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JayinMI
Both? Recess the woofer into the front one, and you'll have 1.5" baffle thickness behind it. And LOTS of bolts. lol
Jay
I likey. Sounds like a plan.
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This is gonna get good, I think! Go for it, Babs!
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So newb mistake I'll never make again... Never underestimate the routers ability to jump on you.. Hold onto that sucker. I think it's salvageable but sure hurt my dang ego. So, trudging onward. That's how I left it last night. Shut down the shop and got a 12-pack or Sierra Navada's. Mad, was an understatement.
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Oh please that's nothing. Some wood putty or some bondo filler and that'll be invisible.
When you carpet that baffle you'd never know it's there unless you told someone.
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Babs' 08 Honda Civic Si Sedan
Well worst part is it kinda boogered up the hole a little also. Once I fit a sub in I'll know the extent.. It's probably fine. But it sure taught homey here a lesson in router respect. Could have been uuuuuugly had I not been able to keep it pointed away and shut down quickly. Nice part of the porter cable is the switch makes the button pop up on the butt end of the motor so you can slap it to shut down.
And what makes me so mad.. Look how perfect the hole on the right is. Peeeerrrrrfect!!! $&@#%!
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Still a fine job Babs. We all need a little reminder about power tools sometimes. I've been distracted over my table saw before, and you normally don't get a second chance with that. Fix your mistake and keep plugging away. I'm sure you will have what you want in the end!
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Totally salvagable man! No problem at all. You got this. Keep on keepin' on. Wood putty, or even wood glue mixed with MDF powder. I call it, magic dust. Stir, sprinkle, spread it, and forget it! Oh, until sanding time.
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When using a Jasper Jig, I always clamp the workpiece and screw down the center scrap piece, that way nothing moves when it finally breaks thru
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chithead
Totally salvagable man! No problem at all. You got this. Keep on keepin' on. Wood putty, or even wood glue mixed with MDF powder. I call it, magic dust. Stir, sprinkle, spread it, and forget it! Oh, until sanding time.
I bet I know where I can find some MDF dust.
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BigAl205
When using a Jasper Jig, I always clamp the workpiece and screw down the center scrap piece, that way nothing moves when it finally breaks thru
Hell yeah. Good idea.
For baffle 2 I'll prolly rough cut the holes along with the outline and flush trim it out to match
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I do the same as al.....I screw down everything, lol. I'm just glad your router jump didn't sever anything from yer person......a router is a nasty unforgiving bitch........
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I do the same as al.....I screw down everything, lol. I'm just glad your router jump didn't sever anything from yer person......a router is a nasty unforgiving bitch........
Yeah no shit.. Same here. I was more mad I let it happen than anything to do with the damage to the piece. And that 1/4" spiral bit bastard was fully distended and ready to whoop somebody's ass. I'm glad it didn't take a turn at me. That crap shall NEVER happen again. Let the grip get limp while running, while probably cut through, while dickin' around with the stupid power cord. The plethora of things I did wrong were a perfect storm. In any case, trudging forward, and thinking how much fun attaching, and sealing is going to be.. Shoooooo!
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Glad you are safe, that's number one priority. Everything else that happened is just honing your skills :thumbup:
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So glue and screw the baffle layers, or t-nuts?
I do have a whole bag full of "hurricane" nuts.. Not to crazy about those for a sub box because if one spins on you, you're screwed, but for just a baffle with access to it, no risk. Still, I'd imagine glue & screw would be preferred, once the baffle is done and ready to mount.
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Babs' 08 Honda Civic Si Sedan
So in mean time I'll show a wire job I did a while back since I had committed to a big three. Got it cleaned up with a little custom "use whatcha got" for the battery hold down. This was some months ago. Love having scrap stuff around and rivnuts.
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Very nice! I'd say glue and screw the layers too, and of course fill in the screw heads later to keep it all stealthy. Now, sub mounting? Machine screws and hurricane nuts. Yeahhhhhh baby
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Funny I think in haste I ordered a standard 1/4" bit instead of an upcut. I think that contributed to the router boo boo. It should pull dust spiraling up I'd imagine. Looking at the bit I think it's shoving dust into the cut groove. Bad recipe. Gonna pick up a proper up-spiraling bit now.
Also plan is since I don't like the necessary gaps on the sides, doing a 2-piece 1/2 or 1/4" layer even in front. The struts are narrower than the plane where I intend to mount the baffle, I'm forced to be narrower left to right leaving roughly 1" gaps on each side, otherwise the single baffle won't go in.
If I do a front 2-pc (let's call it a beauty panel) split down the middle, I can install it easy and completely flush on each side for better/easier sealing.
So it'll be 1/4", 3/4" with sub attached, and 3/4" for second strength layer. Chamfer or round over the front 1/4" around the drivers nice. I think it'll work great. Learning curve continues.
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So minor update. Found the coolest local warehouse today with all kinds of goodies. The guy that helped me builds home speakers, small world. They had every kind of wood stuff from wood flooring to big artistic cuts of cypress. Awesome place. So I picked up two 5x5 sheets of this..
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Russian birch ply. A sheet of 7/8" and 5/8". Pretty solid stuff.
Makes me think for two IB12AU's I might be ok with just a single layer of 7/8". I bought the 5/8" layer for strength if needed. Plan is some aluminum angle on the bottom at least and top if necessary for rigidity and for fastening.
Your thoughts?
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Wow, that kicks ass. I can't find the good stuff around here.
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Wow, that kicks ass. I can't find the good stuff around here.
there's a place up the road from me that is a regional lumber supplier (they have their own mill). they have ALL SORTS of very nice woods. I've been there a few times and they're always extremely helpful. When I worked at the skatepark I'd drive the owner's truck up there and pick up lumber for the ramps.
I visited there last year to purchase some high quality birch ply but the problem is, they won't cut their sheets down. And owning a civic, well, I can't fit a 4x8 sheet in my car. if you are interested in them, you can call them:
http://www.littrelllumbermill.com/
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^ truck. A brutha has got to have one. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...a861a272d4.jpg
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All he needs is a small utility trailer...he has a hitch
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I can borrow a truck for instances like that. I was more just letting you know to keep that in mind, Al, if you wanted to go up there to buy anything.
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So a small update. It's going slow especially when you have a PITA dog under your feet who wants to play ball all day. http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...9ea55ede79.jpg
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So I did up a "sealing" baffle in 1/4" to take up the space which goes in in two equal pieces. Job being to close in all the gaps. Love a flush trim bit.
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Plan is that front baffle will get a nice chamfer or roundover edge outlining the subs on the board behind them.
Next trick will be using my old MDF baffle cut down as large as possible but small enough to get by the rear struts and actually fit in one piece well behind the front piece. That'll be used for a template for the actual 7/8" baffle. Ran out of daylight.
It's going. It's Babcock slow, but it's going.
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"Babcock slow"... I like that.
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Babs
I can fit a 4X8 in mine without it hanging out ;)
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So decided to do two layers. 7/8" and 5/8" ply. Should be no question on strength.
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