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I think they should keep the govt closed. The ones that have something to lose in the long run are the liberals/democrats, the longer people go seeing that the govt is not nearly as important as they believed, the more likely people will stop praying to the god of the democrats (the US govt).
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The stock market liked the shutdown for whatever reason.
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it usually does, it means the gub can't screw with the economy while it's in gridlock
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3 people interviewed today on te local news about how happy they are that they can now afford to go to the doctor....... However, 2 of the 3 were holding a brand fuckign new macbook pro.
Back in the 90's it took me a long time to get a laptop, any laptop, that would have been VERY beneficial to my self-employment..... Because I was paying for health insurance......
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if you go big picture, the truth is we're spending ourselves into planned oblivion and the group mind, the hive mind, knows that we are on unsustainable trajectories.
so, both conservative and liberal work together to reduce government spending.
the sequester, how dramatic a pause to create, the mainstream media had us throwing babies out of burning buildings but the reality is the economy didn't even blip, it actually got stronger as a result of forced spending cuts.
maybe this is the new way to get things done, if what you need to get done is keep your job so there's no target on your back. Liberals have to understand how even as we retreat from two wars, we're not free from the region or the cause. Conservatives know that defunding the military is no longer the top of the laundry list Obama made early in his presidency.
A little public showmanship, you've got the 21 hour grandstander and Obama at the pulpit, deriding the repubs for their insouciance.
After he rammed his Obamacock into the conservative, small government-minded ass with a signature bill that is tied to his legacy, as if we voted him in to do that. WE didn't.
It was never well-organized, debated and hashed out for sea-worthiness, it was fabricated by pie-in-sky idealists who had "big changes" in mind, instead of small courteous steps.
you know what happens when you rush into a steeply graded path, you cannot rise fast enough to the challenge and end up mashing your grape into the slope.
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The sincerest form of flattery is imitation.
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After he rammed his Obamacock into the conservative, small government-minded ass with a signature bill that is tied to his legacy, as if we voted him in to do that. WE didn't.
Kinda ironic, that the guy who deserves the credit, didn't win The Presidency !
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health care IS a major issue, with the haves, having it, and the have nots, out in the wind of no preventive care, late stage diagnostics.
forcing the population to buy policies or be fined, is just so people are pushed into the waiting rooms and told how they are too fat, they smoke too much and drink more than they should.
it's "good feelings" legislation on people's freedoms, to prevent people from injuring themselves on today's sped-up lifestyle of fast food and sedentary iPad swiping.
I predict the outcome of this legislation is that poor people will be treated better because there will be an abundance of good will, the insurance will be flush with their higher premiums and the diagnostics of preventive care will fund the poorly managed "family doctor" specialty, as doctors will be able to fund their yachts and country club memberships with the added revenues of volume purchasing, courtesy of the fed.
All these new numbers on the rolls, means office visits and money well spent because more people will get to some kind of care earlier.
wouldn't that be cool, if it really does make the higher costs of the good plans, trickle down to bronze and silver and get some of the not-yet-diagnosed unwell, into a clinic.
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What makes you think that all the local police and military professionals will go along with an outright attack on our freedoms?
Sent from my Springfield XD with love!
Jesus... Did you not read the part about the JP Morgan contributions? They will go along with it for the same reason our GOV'T sucks... they are bought and paid for by " Job Creators " .... Otherwise known as the fucks that have raped our Financial System.
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There are moral people left in this world that value freedom and the ideals of the constitution.
Viva la revolution!
Merica!
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Fricasseekid
There are moral people left in this world that value freedom and the ideals of the constitution.
Viva la revolution!
Merica!
Sent from my Springfield XD with love!
Yes. But things change when money involved. Look at how many families change when the old guy with all the money dies. Sad, but money changes EVERYTHING.
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At 5:30 p.m. they will meet to discuss the shutdown.
Usual stuff: Did you learn your lesson Barack, etc..,
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Just remember it is pure dog-pony show with this, and that the real reason is much more important. I'm certain you all knew this, but a reminder.
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Sad, but money changes EVERYTHING.
That probably explains why a mexican ran for the presidency of U.S. and then his son ( an american ) ran for said office, too !
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Kinda ironic, that the guy who deserves the credit, didn't win The Presidency !
Even more ironic that the man the bill is derisively named after doesn't want it either
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At 5:30 p.m. they will meet to discuss the shutdown.
Usual stuff: Did you learn your lesson Barack, etc..,
I could have told you nothing was going to happen. Obama is NOT a leader, he is a dictator. The only time he got anything done was his first two years, when he had overwhelming numbers in the house and one shy of a filibuster proof senate. Even then, they had a hell of a time passing Obamacare. They had to bribe a number of DEMOCRATIC senators just to get it to pass.
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What we need right now is/are a little Icelandic guts
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someone is going to blink, historically it has been the republicans
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I was glad to see our dictator talked with the one from Iran, reminded me of The Perfect Storm scene where his enemy hit the water first and saved the guy who got pulled overboard.
In the end, it's only money we the people don't have, ... let it ride !!
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No wonder the GOP won't deal with our dictator ... what a bunch of s__t.
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Treasury Department said failure to raise the nation's borrowing limit, expected to hit its $16.7 trillion cap in mid-October, could precipitate an economic nosedive worse than the recent Great Recession. A default could cause the nation's credit markets to freeze, the value of the dollar to plummet and U.S. interest rates to skyrocket, according to a Treasury report.
Obama cataloged a litany of troubles that could be caused by the failure to raise the debt ceiling, from delayed Social Security and disability checks to worldwide economic repercussions.
"If we screw up, everybody gets screwed up," he said.
"Let it Ride"
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The gub will NOT default ... default is where you do not pay your DEBTS and interest on the debt. Default in NOT when you do not fund everything the gub wants to do, every program they create. If Obama does either of these two things he has threatened .. not prioritizing payouts and paying debts first OR raising the debt level on his own, these are impeachable offenses. Sadly he will most likely do one or both if the republicans don't blink .. and nothing will happen.
Just for clarification - SS is something people payed into the whole life and so is not a "freebie" program.
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Ha Ha !!
Stupid guess was >>>
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Funny how everyone else in the country has to make a budget ..
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I urge everyone to tell the Dems we won't take it anymore... no blinking this time... Let it Ride til Obama gives in !
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Obama will not blink until his poll numbers tank, right now he's winning the PR battle (with the help of the press). You guys got to remember, the progressives have been pushing for national healthcare for like 80 years now. They finally got it passed by trickery, smoke and mirrors and NO real democrat will ever vote to get rid of it. They would rather literally destroy this country and it's economy before even thinking about it.
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I urge everyone to tell the Dems we won't take it anymore... no blinking this time... Let it Ride til Obama gives in !
Well, considering Obama won the last election pretty easily, and the Democrats gained more seats in both the House and Senate, I would think it should go the other way, tell the Repubs we aren't going to take it anymore.
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He won the first election EASILY.....
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Boehner: No debt hike without concessions
The House voted Saturday to give back pay to federal workers furloughed by the government shutdown, but an end to the shutdown is nowhere in sight.
It'll be expensive, but something will be learned.
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If the repubicans don't vote to raise the debt ceiling, Obama will do it himself under the guise of the 14th amendment - even though that would be an impeachable offense, nothing will happen.
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personally, I believe the republicans are wrong to shut down the government over this issue, because people can vote out the president in a couple of years, the entire Congress in a few years, and if this legislation is as dire as everyone says it is then we'd be hard pressed not to hold our elected officials responsible and end their reign of stupid at the taxpayer's expense.
let's see how bad the new entitlement makes health care, and the costs associated with, then we can work with real numbers. I understand that the mainstream media will never use real numbers though, as they cherry pick their statistics to serve the sheeple, no shame in their deception at all.
but some of the fallout from the inclusion of the ACA will be tangible, and the population will get a chance to say if insuring 15 million people who couldn't afford it before, was worth a 25% increase across the board for everyone else's sniffles and wheezes.
I don't know about other people but raising the average cost of health care 40% and raising the average cost of health insurance 25% for anyone who makes more than minimum wage, seems like a big price to pay for just a few small improvements, the only thing I can see is because there's a 3 to 1 limit on costs rising by the industry, they had to just up the bar for everyone. Which is no limits at all, when you think about it.
One good thing to come out of this legislation is how much richer we're going to make insurance companies.
isn't that worth another 10% of your paycheck? Of course it is.
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If you still think this is Dems vs. Republicans, you are myopic on this one.
Here's some problems that will need resolution:
The Affordable Healthcare Choices Act is unconstitutional, when read cover to cover (which NO lawmaker has done yet). This renders the Bill DOA, as far as being Constitutional and therefore fit for legislation. It is not even worth challenging that it isn't Constitutional, it is a Bill designed to transfer power directly to the Executive Branch.
"The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care." - Michael Connelly Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor Carrollton , Texas
Here, read this,
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/842
50 USC § 842 - Proscription of Communist Party, its successors, and subsidiary organizations
The Communist Party of the United States, or any successors of such party regardless of the assumed name, whose object or purpose is to overthrow the Government of the United States, or the government of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein by force and violence, are not entitled to any of the rights, privileges, and immunities attendant upon legal bodies created under the jurisdiction of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof; and whatever rights, privileges, and immunities which have heretofore been granted to said party or any subsidiary organization by reason of the laws of the United States or any political subdivision thereof, are terminated: Provided, however, That nothing in this section shall be construed as amending the Internal Security Act of 1950, as amended [50 U.S.C. 781 et seq.]
So basically, if Obama tries to push this legislation through and goes to extremes to get it, he and his cohorts can be removed, period. Especially so if he goes for this one http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/212
50 USC § 212 - Confiscation of property employed to aid insurrection
Whenever during any insurrection against the Government of the United States, after the President shall have declared by proclamation that the laws of the United States are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the power vested in the marshals by law, any person, or his agent, attorney, or employee, purchases or acquires, sells or gives, any property of whatsoever kind or description, with intent to use or employ the same, or suffers the same to be used or employed in aiding, abetting, or promoting such insurrection or resistance to the laws, or any person engaged therein; or being the owner of any such property, knowingly uses or employs, or consents to such use or employment of the same, all such property shall be lawful subject of prize and capture wherever found; and it shall be the duty of the President to cause the same to be seized, confiscated, and condemned.
So what will happen?
Basically the way I see it, if Obama goes for an open Martial Law, he'll be on the hook. If he tries to push this any further, he'll be on the hook. And if he stays the course, he'll be on the hook. He's fucked, basically.
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The dysfunction of the american government is giving the rest of the world concern.
What a fucked up mess
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Hic
The dysfunction of the american government is giving the rest of the world concern.
What a fucked up mess
IMHO its because the puppeteers are the most visible over here in the USA.
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yeah, I wonder what the bilderbergers and illuminati's are doing about this, you know they just don't like to see a connecting rod go through the block..
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They better not mess with my gubment cheese or I'll defect!
Attachment 1468
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Who have you got on your list of LOSERs to fire ?
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http://wgntv.com/2013/10/12/link-car...n-in-illinois/
You may all now refer to me as Nostradamus, called it out in advance! I shall now declare the end is nigh!
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Ask not what you can do to your governors, but what can your governors do to you.
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Referring to the approach of Thursday's deadline, he added: "As we start hearing the train whistle, I think that there may be a different view. I don't want to see it happen because it's going to hurt a lot of innocent people."